#Heisenbeans Genetics

[BigBallzWillie]

Tried a lower nugg of the dubstep last night and it was remarkably smooth for being so green.
Got a pretty good buzz off it, I'll reserve smoke report until it cures a bit...but definitely got some piney tastes, zero fuel tastes ....at least for now.
I mighta woke up still stoned.

Enter the next HBeans contestant........ Purple punch. C'mon down!

PP got a bit leggy on me and I up potted to the 1 gallon to place the stem deeper. Looking good now and looking forward to this one.

 

[Evergreengardener]

TLDR - long post coming

Thanks for the feedback. I actually just lollypopped my next plants that I'm going to flower. I've noticed my LED doesn't penetrate well and there is a bunch of tiny buds in the lowers, esp. the middle of the plants. I'm going to start taking off a lot of the bottoms before I flip to flower. Not only for yield, but it makes it easier to water the plants.

Current situation, if I take off the top fans will the top of the colas still produce well? Should I remove all of them or just the ones blocking lower buds? I am going to leave a couple of lowers to see if the plants spit out any bananas/seeds down there as I am testing. As a bad grower, I'm an amazing tester. @Heisenbeans . Hope you didn't take my yield comment the wrong way. I wasn't complaining, just trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong. I've noticed that my plants take way too long to veg. I think most of you all can grow the same size plant in 1/2 the time. I'm wondering if I have some bugs in my soil or pH issues slowing things down. thanks again everyone

Don’t defoliate, If you are going to defoliate do it by week three of flower. The whole “take the fan leaves out because the buds need the light” is controversial statement. Leaves are what make foods for those buds, leaves are the solar panel for the plant they are what absorb the light you are giving the plants

 

[BigBallzWillie]

You can also supercrop the fans to get them out of the way. That way they still make food for the plant

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

You can also supercrop the fans to get them out of the way. That way they still make food for the plant

Yea I just tuck the fans that are blocking too much of the lower stuff. You can tuck them in a position where they still receive light and that way you don’t shock the plant at all. I remove some fans on plants that are way too bushy as a way to try and promote airflow and deter pm but tucking is the way to go IMO

 

[Heathenraider]

Yea I just tuck the fans that are blocking too much of the lower stuff. You can tuck them in a position where they still receive light and that way you don’t shock the plant at all. I remove some fans on plants that are way too bushy as a way to try and promote airflow and deter pm but tucking is the way to go IMO

I just take 1 fan leaf at a time to get light to the lowers and havnt noticed any shock or issues., people go crazy and remove too much too fast and forget the fucking plant has 8-12 weeks in flower and there is plenty of time to defoliate .

 

[TheSpaceFarm]

I just take 1 fan leaf at a time to get light to the lowers and havnt noticed any shock or issues., people go crazy and remove too much too fast and forget the fucking plant has 8-12 weeks in flower and there is plenty of time to defoliate .

That’s one way to do it too. One leaf at a time isn’t gonna stress the plant out too much at all. Yea you see people take off half the fans at once and the plant looks all sad and bare bones I just shake my head lol

 

[Opie1]

Yeah I agree to not take defoliating to an extreme, I was ‘liking’ more of the other parts of BT’s comment. I might cut off a couple fan leaves out of the center of my plants, and then only if they can’t be tucked away or underneath.

 

[Heisen]

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Any news of when the new drop is going to be HEISEN

Right around nov 17th.

 

[Drkillawatt]

I try to leave what I can on em, I usually do a very minor defoliation when I flip then as the stretch comes tuck and bend. Someone had already said it but yea they like the solar panels for the plants so I try to be as undisruptive as possible I guess.

 

[Glossybudz]

Right around nov 17th.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[SCJedi]

That's bad ass. The alien and gmo seeds are easy to tell. Those look like sundae driver seeds.

On another note I'm doing a rdwc experiment un breeder related and have these. Blue dream, gg4, gelato 33, triangle kush, bio diesel, Sunset sherbert.
I wanna seed them up so bad but cant decide what to reverse to hit em with. I suggested the male but gu said naw. Maybe I'll reverse the blue dream and make some seeds to give away for potm contest
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I bet reversing the Blue Dream and hitting the lower-yielding crosses may pass along a yield bump. Blue Dream is always a big yielder.

 

[Prairiefarmer]

I've never shook my head while i look at the girls till now.I had to dedicate a whole 6 x 4 tent to 4 heisen wedding dubs.They outgrew cuts that were the same height when put in final pots.Only a week into 12/12 and they are a foot from the cmh's,beastsi tell you.I couldn't get a proper pic,as i cant back up far enoughmore than impressed so far.I'm a fan of leaf stripping,1st strip is always at 3 weeks bloom,yours got a pre flower strip

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

that defoliating during flower, be careful, I have to do it sometimes too, but I notice it def shocks or slows the plant not quite a week to get back goin. JME. And Ive had never quite recover a couple times. Prolly strain dependent. But some plants shake it right off and others seem to be quite shocked for a day or two.

I'm with you on this, I never do defoliation unless absolutely needed. The big fan leaves are producing and storing food for the whole plant so all leaves are useful.

It's when too many leaves are causing lack of air flow that I start chopping leaves.

I use the weak analogy of "would you run faster if you chopped an arm off?" I know it's a bit different with plants but kinda works though, lol.

 

[TerpyTyrone]

All bud a DUB, solid and sticky.

 

[Big Terps]

that defoliating during flower, be careful, I have to do it sometimes too, but I notice it def shocks or slows the plant not quite a week to get back goin. JME. And Ive had never quite recover a couple times. Prolly strain dependent. But some plants shake it right off and others seem to be quite shocked for a day or two.

I agree with u on certain strains handle it better than others. Imo the indicas or indica dom strains can handle it better than sativas.. My last grow i took leaves off daily while in flower. No issues or stress.
Now the hazes ive ran they was the only ones ive ever had that didnt like the defoiling.. I had a Hawaiian Skunk haze that hated me after each defoiling, but them dam sativas have way more leaves than i can tolerate..
Another thing imo is the overall health of plant. If u got otber issues going on or sum deficiency, plucking leaves might really stress her out. Usually if plant is thriving them plucking a handful of leaves wont effect it.. Just my opinion..
I find if u can start young with plucking leaves, by time flower comes she wont miss a beat.
And my last findings is that if u veg the plant for a couple months and flip it that they will handle it better than a plant that had short veg time..
I like to have fewer plants with sum weight than a bunch of smaller ones.
Again im not sum know it all expert grower, and my opinions r just from my own experiences.. I usually allways grow indica dom strains so thats where my opinions come from.
The way i look at it is id rather have direct beams hittn every bud site even if i do stress them a little.. Just my 2 cents from what ive had threw the yrs. Thx dude for ur info..

 

[Bodyne]

i do a 12/12 from seed and I suspect that makes the plants a bit more succeptable to a defoliation shock than one vegged or two months. Man, I miss those days, for real, now if I get the seedlings a week or 2 of 24/7 before goin into the flower tent, Im lucky and so it makes sense those plants wouldn't be as far along, vigorous and healthy as a month or two veg. But I can't wait that long in between times, I need my medicine yesterday, lol. Still tryin to get ahead of my appetite in a 4 x2 tent, a closet and a makeshift closet. Seedlings in the makeshift, try to veg in the closet and get em to the flower tent.

 

[Heathenraider]

i do a 12/12 from seed and I suspect that makes the plants a bit more succeptable to a defoliation shock than one vegged or two months. Man, I miss those days, for real, now if I get the seedlings a week or 2 of 24/7 before goin into the flower tent, Im lucky and so it makes sense those plants wouldn't be as far along, vigorous and healthy as a month or two veg. But I can't wait that long in between times, I need my medicine yesterday, lol. Still tryin to get ahead of my appetite in a 4 x2 tent, a closet and a makeshift closet. Seedlings in the makeshift, try to veg in the closet and get em to the flower tent.

You aren't a real degenerate grower till a veg area takes over Your shower. LOL

 

[Big Terps]

I'm with you on this, I never do defoliation unless absolutely needed. The big fan leaves are producing and storing food for the whole plant so all leaves are useful.

It's when too many leaves are causing lack of air flow that I start chopping leaves.

I use the weak analogy of "would you run faster if you chopped an arm off?" I know it's a bit different with plants but kinda works though, lol.

I agree with the air flow but after stretch is threw, u want that food and energy being being directed to those colas so every nugg is fully developed and not just the tops..
Those leaves play more of a key role in veg than they do after stretch in flower. Just my thoughts.. I respect ur opinion and am glad ur pursueing somthing u seem to be pickn up dam good in with making and selln your chucks.. Uve got more than 1 id like to try my luck with.. That grape sato or a cross with it, but keep it up dude.. Thx

 

[JohnFonda]

I agree with the air flow but after stretch is threw, u want that food and energy being being directed to those colas so every nugg is fully developed and not just the tops..
Those leaves play more of a key role in veg than they do after stretch in flower. Just my thoughts.. I respect ur opinion and am glad ur pursueing somthing u seem to be pickn up dam good in with making and selln your chucks.. Uve got more than 1 id like to try my luck with.. That grape sato or a cross with it, but keep it up dude.. Thx

I think the style of growing has a big effect on this too. If you grow poles I cant see a reason to remove much of anything, but when you train and bush a plant out from experience things underneath can tend to get out of hand. Tucking leaves over leaves and into future colas sounds like a invitation for problems like pm. Not only defoliating but strategically removing new growths that will clog up the interior or other colas can help create more airflow/light penetration which means bigger denser healthier nugs. Ovcourse everything in moderation and preferably before or very early flower. With some of the shit I've seen people do and still have successes I think there is a happy medium here to be found.

 

[Opie1]

You guys should check out the ‘12/12 From Seed’ thread over at the other place. There’s a guy there that’s gonna ‘make’ his plants form into one large cola. I tried to give him advice, but he seems to know what to do. Have a look.