#Heisenbeans Genetics

KMOG

KMOG

Always rockin’ at half mast
I wonder how many of the best phenos of strains created are sitting in old packs people won’t ever pop....😅


Based on all the strains people made x number of beans they broke into 10 packs and sold, theoretically, every strain Sold has one pack Of 6-12 beans with the best pheno of thousands in it....so there’s that.

Definitely like lottery tickets. There is a reason they call the lottery the poor tax though. 😂
 
Nobighurry

Nobighurry

PICK YOUR OWN
KMOG said:
Csi made a post about this a while ago. If you run the same pheno from seed 2-3 gens, you’ll actually see what it does in your room. Thhis is another reason growing from seed and finding keepers is hard. The phenotype you find isn’t changing, but it’s genotypic expression will figure out how to best grow in your room over a couple generations(tends to be 2 with seeds and 3 with cuts in my rooms). So that first generation from seed is generally the worst you’ll ever see the plant do, and it will look different the second run, more because of the plant figuring out its shit than you dialing it or your setup though.
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Agree, by the 3rd run of clones I have her needs much more dialed in then the first run and it shows in chop day...
 
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Boybelue

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KMOG said:
Csi made a post about this a while ago. If you run the same pheno from seed 2-3 gens, you’ll actually see what it does in your room. Thhis is another reason growing from seed and finding keepers is hard. The phenotype you find isn’t changing, but it’s genotypic expression will figure out how to best grow in your room over a couple generations(tends to be 2 with seeds and 3 with cuts in my rooms). So that first generation from seed is generally the worst you’ll ever see the plant do, and it will look different the second run, more because of the plant figuring out its shit than you dialing it or your setup though.
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Plants do acclimate to their environment and I suppose the plants acclimatization may be confused with a grower dialing in his environment, never really thought of it that way but this is an amazing plant.
 
BigBallzWillie

BigBallzWillie

BE THE BALL
@KMOG Sorry, I'm not really buying into the weed acclimatization as outlined above. :)

I grow a bunch of garlic for years and I know for a fact, that garlic will acclimate and improve itself based on growing in that environment over the years. It does so over 2-3 years and then it's done. Product is better in the end.
But with garlic, each clove is identical, and you grow one clove to harvest 6 cloves. Then you replant. Each successive planting gets better. If it get's better it must change slightly. It has to live for generations to show acclimatization (2-4 years)
With the garlic, there is a cycle and an "input" every year. What is the "input" on the weed. How does weed acclimate over time if it's an annual? It's an annual, it grows, makes seeds and dies. The seeds won't be the same plant. If you clone it, it's identical, it's the same thing you started out with. So where exactly is the acclimatization over years come in? How would I do it with..........marigolds?
 
Promedz

Promedz

Zeus
That is the point envoirment, I can take any of the clips you have and do a better job because I’m a better grower than you, point blank period. I can take shit and make it look good them legit cuts you have don’t even look that special! Point blank is your not that good at all! But have good Genetics lmao can’t even dial in a nutrient line you only use foliage pro no so wonder why you couldn’t believe ppls yields lol
 
KMOG

KMOG

Always rockin’ at half mast
Boybelue said:
Plants do acclimate to their environment and I suppose the plants acclimatization may be confused with a grower dialing in his environment, never really thought of it that way but this is an amazing plant.
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I noticed when my room got dialed, and at this point I don’t change much of anything ever. Plants with no environmental change over three runs look better, grow faster, and overall stay healthier. That doesn’t hit me as me dialing the strain. Everything in my rooms gets the same thing more or less and I don’t really have problems with any strains under any light type around the grow.
 
sfrigon1

sfrigon1

Seed Aficionado
KMOG said:
I noticed when my room got dialed, and at this point I don’t change much of anything ever. Plants with no environmental change over three runs look better, grow faster, and overall stay healthier. That doesn’t hit me as me dialing the strain. Everything in my rooms gets the same thing more or less and I don’t really have problems with any strains under any light type around the grow.
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Somebody is digging their heels in deep 😂
 
Heisen

Heisen

Dont Need One
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As I said I could care less how many anyone pops. But to review a strain negatively from 2 seeds in a pack is silly as fuk. You only got to 30 percent of family expression. Only about 10.percent will look like the dad. And 10 like th mom. In that puppy litter of 13 you always only get 2 that look like the parents. These are f1 hybrids not bred for stability or gene consistency. Yes you get less stability but you also get better plants but it will typically be 1 or 2 from 2 packs. Not 2 fukin seeds. Shit just rubbed me wrong I guess.
 
Rocman91

Rocman91

Sour D Fein
Just going into Week 6. Leaves have been getting real Green using the Lucas Formula so I believe it's the Micro bc of how much Nitrogen so I'm cutting that back along with Calimagic. Buds are swelling nice and Aroma is taking over the 🏠. Not looking for any advice on light height or anything just showing what I got ...if you know ...you know lol

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Rocman91

Rocman91

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KMOG said:
Lol. You’re ad hominem because you don’t have the experience and don’t understand statistics lol. If you popped 197 more beans, you’d find your 1 in 3 pheno and have 197 more chances to find something you personally or everyone else would Like better. It’s funny hearing somebody on this forum talking shot about any cut of pp. especially novas, which sort of Looks just like the other one being run around here. If you read my posts, I don’t smoke it because it’s crap lol. People like it though(most likely the 1 in 3 ultimate pheno guys). I don’t understand why you’re mad about the fact that if you pop more beans, you have better chances of finding better plants.

You just got so upset about me talking about how your odds get better popping more beans you started attacking me personally lol. And if you look around, you can find plants I call keepers, and I’ve seen what you post.....I have more, better plants. I’ve popped over 1000 beans this year And I hve most of the og elites....that’s just how it goes.


Let’s do this, post pics of the best cuts you have personally found. And I will try to find at least 5 phenos I’ve found for every one of your that looks as good or better. Work for you?
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KMOG have you posted grow pics on here ?
 
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Buddha61

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Purple Cake - Day 47 - 3g organic soil mix, water only
Purple Aliens - Day 34 - 3g promix, dynagro nutes
Topanga Canyon - Day 34 - 3g promix, dynagro nutes
 

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KMOG

KMOG

Always rockin’ at half mast
BigBallzWillie said:
@KMOG Sorry, I'm not really buying into the weed acclimatization as outlined above. :)

I grow a bunch of garlic for years and I know for a fact, that garlic will acclimate and improve itself based on growing in that environment over the years. It does so over 2-3 years and then it's done. Product is better in the end.
But with garlic, each clove is identical, and you grow one clove to harvest 6 cloves. Then you replant. Each successive planting gets better. If it get's better it must change slightly. It has to live for generations to show acclimatization (2-4 years)
With the garlic, there is a cycle and an "input" every year. What is the "input" on the weed. How does weed acclimate over time if it's an annual? It's an annual, it grows, makes seeds and dies. The seeds won't be the same plant. If you clone it, it's identical, it's the same thing you started out with. So where exactly is the acclimatization over years come in? How would I do it with..........marigolds?
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With weed, genotype expression changes room to room, it’s not an opinion. Bud should be the same(It is a clone and your not changing the phenotype just how it’s expressed), whether it looks structurally the same or not. And it takes months, not years. We aren’t talking about marigolds or garlic.
 
JohnFonda

JohnFonda

Tegrity Greenthumb
Buddha61 said:
Purple Cake - Day 47 - 3g organic soil mix, water only
Purple Aliens - Day 34 - 3g promix, dynagro nutes
Topanga Canyon - Day 34 - 3g promix, dynagro nutes
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Curious what your organic mix consists of. Been trying to dial in something perfect for the future and give it another go. I used the rest if my mix on tomatoes last season and they were beastly but I had to amend it like 5 times before I had it where I felt it had the right balance and strength for the good herbs.
 
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