HydroRed's DIY Budget Flood and Drain (approx $40 total)

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
Ya, I forgot to update that they got back to me. Thats the same reply I got in return as well. They offer to distribute on quantity, but it was beyond my means to get them in such large quantity bulk plus shipping from CA-US.
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
What is the size of the tub? L x W
The "good" tub size is 27 1/2" x 19 3/4". More than one tub fits the top of the 27gal tote, but the Sceptor brand ones are an absolute perfect fit. The others from Home deepoe dont fit nice into the top of the 27gal tote, they are about 1/4" too big both L x W. It wants to sit up off the tote as where the Sceptor brand fits down and stays down into the tote nice and flush. No gaps/light leaks etc.
 
I had a link showing some of Sceptors other names, then I lost it, lol.
At TSC it's called tuff-stuff and I believe that this is the same tub...but pricey. There were definitely other "names" that they manufacture under.


Harbor Freight has a 7 gallon but looks to be smaller.
 

TerpyTyrone

LED Recruiter
I am seriously thinking about incorporating this into my next build. Why not, coco is cheap, thw system is cheap and I have half the parts laying around.
In my first go round I left for a week and tried to use a sump pump on a digital timer set at 2 minute increments twice a day but it backfired , clogged from the silica and was a bad overall design. I tried to use spray nozzles instead of a halo around it using tees.
Anyway i want to come Up with a non hydro system,that I can be auto and only visit it once a week
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
I had a link showing some of Sceptors other names, then I lost it, lol.
At TSC it's called tuff-stuff and I believe that this is the same tub...but pricey. There were definitely other "names" that they manufacture under.


Harbor Freight has a 7 gallon but looks to be smaller.
I actually believe the ones I use from Low's home improvement are 7 gal. I'll have to check out the ones at HF though and see the dimensions. For the 27 gal tote, youre gonna want to use the smaller size tub. The one in your link is the larger one (11 gal) .
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
I am seriously thinking about incorporating this into my next build. Why not, coco is cheap, thw system is cheap and I have half the parts laying around.
In my first go round I left for a week and tried to use a sump pump on a digital timer set at 2 minute increments twice a day but it backfired , clogged from the silica and was a bad overall design. I tried to use spray nozzles instead of a halo around it using tees.
Anyway i want to come Up with a non hydro system,that I can be auto and only visit it once a week
With a large enough res, you can easily do that with F&D. Just with my little 27 gal tote design I left the state for 6 days and came back to a lush lovely garden. Like I never left. I use on average about 1 gal needed per day in top off when my plants are at their peak thirst. I only use 10 gal or so to flood the tray and still have enough in the res to keep the pump submerged. Anything more than those 10 gal is just additional days you have to "step away" from the system.
 
I actually believe the ones I use from Low's home improvement are 7 gal. I'll have to check out the ones at HF though and see the dimensions. For the 27 gal tote, youre gonna want to use the smaller size tub. The one in your link is the larger one (11 gal) .
These are the measurements 28 in. x 20 in. x 6 in. they are the same. TSC is already using some alias manufacturing name, who's to say thay are any more honest about the description? Even if they call it 11 gallon, it's the same measurements.

Looks like an order item, it would nice to be sure.
 

Cob_nUt

Chuckers Tester
Red Home depo has a new mixing tray brand called plasgard.Im going to check them out tomorrow to see if they fit their xxl commander brand of totes which is called hdx.

Dimensions are kinda tight but they may fit righteously.
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
Red Home depo has a new mixing tray brand called plasgard.Im going to check them out tomorrow to see if they fit their xxl commander brand of totes which is called hdx.

Dimensions are kinda tight but they may fit righteously.
I already tried em and unfortunately they are a bit too big and dont set down in either one of the 27 gal totes (HDX or Commander XXL) all the way. 😞
 

PhatNuggz

Trimmer
Im missing something here, maybe a couple more pictures would clear it up: The way this will work, is that the tray sits inside the top of the res, leaving space under the tray in the res to hold the water. The F&D kits gets installed into the tray any way you choose to do so that it fits your needs and pot count in the tray. The submersible pump sits under the tray in the tote (reservoir) and the 1/2" tubing connects the pump to the fill side of the F&D kit.
 
Ok, thinking out loud...

Red, you are only using that yellow top if the res is under the table right? That layout would increase the res by 10 gallons or so. Is that "under the table" setup better or worse in terms of performance against just dropping the bin in?

If the tray is a bit smaller than the tote, it could be cut into the yellow top..yes, maybe?


and / or

A rubbermaid or other tote. Like a 17 gallon with lid on, then a 10 gallon on top might work. just cut two holes in lid for the pipes to go through.

I'd like to put this in a 3x3 tent.
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
Im missing something here, maybe a couple more pictures would clear it up: The way this will work, is that the tray sits inside the top of the res, leaving space under the tray in the res to hold the water. The F&D kits gets installed into the tray any way you choose to do so that it fits your needs and pot count in the tray. The submersible pump sits under the tray in the tote (reservoir) and the 1/2" tubing connects the pump to the fill side of the F&D kit.
The tray sets in top of the 27 gallon tote. The space between the bottom of the tray and the bottom of the 27 gal tote works as the reservoir. The 2 holes in the tray are where I decided to put my F&D bulkhead locations. The submersible pump sits in the bottom of the res and is connected to the fill bulkhead by a 1/2" tubing. The drain bulkhead is left with no tubing since it will just flow right down into the res without any tubing since the tray is right over top of the 27 gal tote (reservoir).
27 gal res.png 27 gal res & tray.png Tray in 27 gal res.png

setup.png setup 2.png
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
Ok, thinking out loud...

Red, you are only using that yellow top if the res is under the table right? That layout would increase the res by 10 gallons or so. Is that "under the table" setup better or worse in terms of performance against just dropping the bin in?

If the tray is a bit smaller than the tote, it could be cut into the yellow top..yes, maybe?


and / or

A rubbermaid or other tote. Like a 17 gallon with lid on, then a 10 gallon on top might work. just cut two holes in lid for the pipes to go through.

I'd like to put this in a 3x3 tent.
Yes, the amount in the res would be able to be increased without the tray in the tote. 10 gal in the res is enough to flood the tray and keep the waterline above the pump in the res. Anything more than that is just more time you can have without needing to top off or babysit the res (leave the system alone for days at a time with no worries). Either of those examples you said will work. Ive experienced no difference between running with the tray in res, or the res being seperated under a table with the yellow lid on.
 

gwheels

Elite Hobbyist
Now i get it Hydrored...that last pic did it.

I need a bin that sits perfectly in the tote OR a closed tote that pumps and can drain into the tote (with a planter lid with the fill and drain things).

EuReKa !!!

I need to make this now i popped too many beans...and i have a few square feet i can squeeze it in :D

I am getting the tube and pump this weekend. I have heisenbeans that NEEDS it. Or I must taste them so I NEEDS it.
 

HydroRed

Hydroponic Hooligan
Quick question @HydroRed , I believe I read that you run a sterile system and are using h2o2 to achieve that. The question is how much peroxide to gallon(s) of nutrient/water and what % is said h2o2? Also, do you run an air stone in your res? 😎
No stone in the res since the waterfall action on the drain side works to keep everything oxygenated. I use the cheap 3% from the drugstore at 89 cents a bottle, usually buy 2 get 1 free as well. I dont measure anymore when I add the H2o2 but I'd guess about 15 ml per gallon or so and I'll re-add every 3-4 days.
 
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