I appreciate that you've been polite and congenial.
We agree that being polite has merit and you pointed out my long windedness, thanks I'll try to be more to the point.
You also asked me a question, I didn't get to yesterday. You asked at what (which) point I saw myself as being persuasive.
I see myself as being persuasive, NOW. Persuasive in the sense that I presented an ironclad proof, using simple math.
At which point do you see yourself persuading anyone that a sum of zeroes is more than zero ?
While you may not admit it, I think I persuaded you that it is impossible to delegate a right that you don't possess, since you avoided going there, or disproving my point, instead you fixated on something else in your response.
I'd bet you probably already knew since you were a child, that a sum of zeroes will still add up to zero.
It doesn't look like you applied that logic to the question at hand though. "Where would a group of people acquire a right to do something when no person within that group possesses any right ( there's that darn pile of zeroes again!) to do the thing the group is seeking to do? Rhetorical question. The right doesn't exist in that circumstance. It is impossible.
No matter how many people, all having zero right to do a particular thing, there are in a group or that attempt to conjure up a positive sum (or right) from a bunch of zeroes, by voting, all those zeroes will always, still, add up to zero.
So when the thing being added up, is a pile of nonexistent right to do something, there is no RIGHTFUL basis to proceed is there ?