#Heisenbeans Genetics

TerpyTyrone

TerpyTyrone

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Heathenraider said:
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When in Roma, do as the Romans do, pummel that ASS I'd hit that!!!
She in it to win it!!
Bodyne said:
promix is a lil more forgiving if something goes amiss, imho. grows like dirt, eats like hydro, almost. I love promix. Using good microbes, you can reuse a time or two, cheap at Menards, Just seems like you never hear of near as many probs with promix as the coco, I guess its a tad more boring, lol. jmho
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I have found that adding a bit o' soil (best Irish accent) helps to keep it from drying out. And it kind of helps make a wider zone for nite uptake. Say 5.5 - 6.8 is huge. But I have been using the same coco for 2 years. I just added equal amounts of coco/perlite/ffof.
Fox farms is 25 a bag here so my cheap ass wanted something that held water a full day and could still use nutes.
If using straight coco perlite combo. Be ready to water!! Twice a day!!
 
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Artisan_tek

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NoWaistedSpace said:
When you let the plants dry out, they aren't using up as much nutes(salts). Then you water them, it blasts them with higher amounts of salts all at once like that 1st piss of the day. lol
I water with a small amount of water (begins breaking the salts down)and wait 15 or 20 mins, then give them a good soaking. That will help with the salt build up.
It's about the "conductivity" of the "salts water" that creates the ppm build up.
If I remember it right. lol
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So after the flush i got them down to 700 ppm The smaller one after this watering is down to 300ppm and starting to look like her old self

1 tho is being a pain in the ass. after the flush she was also down to about 700-800ppm just watered and checked and now were at 1350ppm without adding any nutes. Water was checked at 90ppm going in. Going to flush her out over the course of 1 hour and try to get those ppms back down. Still dont really understand whats happening besides salt buildup but you would of thought after the ppms came down last watering they woulodnt be going back up again.
 
TerpyTyrone

TerpyTyrone

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TerpyTyrone said:
When in Roma, do as the Romans do, pummel that ASS I'd hit that!!!
She in it to win it!!

I have found that adding a bit o' soil (best Irish accent) helps to keep it from drying out. And it kind of helps make a wider zone for nite uptake. Say 5.5 - 6.8 is huge. But I have been using the same coco for 2 years. I just added equal amounts of coco/perlite/ffof.
Fox farms is 25 a bag here so my cheap ass wanted something that held water a full day and could still use nutes.
If using straight coco perlite combo. Be ready to water!! Twice a day!!
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Oh and no flushes necessary if u dont let it dry out
 
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Artisan_tek said:
So after the flush i got them down to 700 ppm The smaller one after this watering is down to 300ppm and starting to look like her old self

1 tho is being a pain in the ass. after the flush she was also down to about 700-800ppm just watered and checked and now were at 1350ppm without adding any nutes. Water was checked at 90ppm going in. Going to flush her out over the course of 1 hour and try to get those ppms back down. Still dont really understand whats happening besides salt buildup but you would of thought after the ppms came down last watering they woulodnt be going back up again.
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Can I see a pic of the plants? And any deficiencies that are showing? Then we can address the ppm problem!
 
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Promedz said:
Can I see a pic of the plants? And any deficiencies that are showing? Then we can address the ppm problem!
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Couple shots of the leaves on the one with super high ppms

Took a couple shots of the ones getting back to normal but upon further inspection they needed to be deleted for security purposes.
 

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Artisan_tek said:
So after the flush i got them down to 700 ppm The smaller one after this watering is down to 300ppm and starting to look like her old self

1 tho is being a pain in the ass. after the flush she was also down to about 700-800ppm just watered and checked and now were at 1350ppm without adding any nutes. Water was checked at 90ppm going in. Going to flush her out over the course of 1 hour and try to get those ppms back down. Still dont really understand whats happening besides salt buildup but you would of thought after the ppms came down last watering they woulodnt be going back up again.
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The only thing I can think of is the salts aren't completely breaking down to get removed with the amount of water you used. How much water did you flush with? Should be poured slow so the water doesn't just run down the sides.
Now, those pics looks like you have some "root rot" going on.
Let some of the other members put their thoughts in on this. We will find you an answer.
 
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shes back to the 600 ppm range. Deff not over watering. i actually let them dry out to long in between waterings. Thats when this showed up. I no heisen said to they can show phantom deficiencys when their to dry.

But when i checked my ppms they were all super high. So i flushed to get back to 700ppms. They all look better except for this one. and when i checked its ppms were back at 1350 so thats where we were today.

There all back in normal ppm range and all running a ph between 6.2 and 6.7 so i expect her to start looking better by the next watering.

Plan on taking clones from these bc im in the process of moving and their just to big with no time to flower. I wanted to clone them when they were looking a little healthier than this tho.
 
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Artisan_tek said:
shes back to the 600 ppm range. Deff not over watering. i actually let them dry out to long in between waterings. Thats when this showed up. I no heisen said to they can show phantom deficiencys when their to dry.

But when i checked my ppms they were all super high. So i flushed to get back to 700ppms. They all look better except for this one. and when i checked its ppms were back at 1350 so thats where we were today.

There all back in normal ppm range and all running a ph between 6.2 and 6.7 so i expect her to start looking better by the next watering.

Plan on taking clones from these bc im in the process of moving and their just to big with no time to flower. I wanted to clone them when they were looking a little healthier than this tho.
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When was the last time u calibrated ur meter?
It looks like,lockout
 
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Thats what im guessing....ppms got to high and had the ph outa wack causing a lockout. But if thats what happened why does it keep happening?

Meters good. my water always tests between 80 and 100ppms ever since i first got the meter. so maybe it might not be dead on but its close enough to get a good estimate of range. Im actually thinking something could of happened when i added nutes the last time maybe something was off...tested the first gallon came out at 550ppm but i should of tested every single 1 of them. Lesson learned.

Just seems like i keep battling salt buildup problems. Maybe not mixing nutes good enough or something?

Appreciate the comments everyone! :)
 
TerpyTyrone

TerpyTyrone

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Artisan_tek said:
Thats what im guessing....ppms got to high and had the ph outa wack causing a lockout. But if thats what happened why does it keep happening?

Meters good. my water always tests between 80 and 100ppms ever since i first got the meter. so maybe it might not be dead on but its close enough to get a good estimate of range. Im actually thinking something could of happened when i added nutes the last time maybe something was off...tested the first gallon came out at 550ppm but i should of tested every single 1 of them. Lesson learned.

Just seems like i keep battling salt buildup problems. Maybe not mixing nutes good enough or something?

Appreciate the comments everyone! :)
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Did u CALIBRATE? Ppms is relative to uptake. Ita all related but have u checked your runoff beforw and after your flushes?
What are your watering practices? Once a day? Whats temp at night like?
 
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Artisan_tek

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NoWaistedSpace said:
The only thing I can think of is the salts aren't completely breaking down to get removed with the amount of water you used. How much water did you flush with? Should be poured slow so the water doesn't just run down the sides.
Now, those pics looks like you have some "root rot" going on.
Let some of the other members put their thoughts in on this. We will find you an answer.
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Im starting to think that to....might not be mixing them up good enoigh so their not breaking down?

Maybe from not watering them and the humidity being low so they wernt taking up as much nutrients and they burned. ?

Just throwing ideas out there
 
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TerpyTyrone said:
Did u CALIBRATE? Ppms is relative to uptake. Ita all related but have u checked your runoff beforw and after your flushes?
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Yea i should get some solution and calibrate it just to be safe.

I always test whats going in and whats coming out. After the last flush they were sitting at 700ppms or so. When i watered them today the 1 shot up to 1350 This is all without adding any nutes for the past week n half 2 weeks.

So i flushed her again and shes sitting at 600ppm range. all i can do it wait a couple days and see if it continues to rise again or start to go down.

The other ones are starting to look half normal again so ill be taking clones from them this week. This other one tho im not sure what im gonna do with quite yet.
 
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Artisan_tek said:
shes back to the 600 ppm range. Deff not over watering. i actually let them dry out to long in between waterings. Thats when this showed up. I no heisen said to they can show phantom deficiencys when their to dry.

But when i checked my ppms they were all super high. So i flushed to get back to 700ppms. They all look better except for this one. and when i checked its ppms were back at 1350 so thats where we were today.

There all back in normal ppm range and all running a ph between 6.2 and 6.7 so i expect her to start looking better by the next watering.

Plan on taking clones from these bc im in the process of moving and their just to big with no time to flower. I wanted to clone them when they were looking a little healthier than this tho.
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What are you using for nutes and how are you mixing them? Are you adding any cal mag?
 
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Artisan_tek said:
Thats what im guessing....ppms got to high and had the ph outa wack causing a lockout. But if thats what happened why does it keep happening?

Meters good. my water always tests between 80 and 100ppms ever since i first got the meter. so maybe it might not be dead on but its close enough to get a good estimate of range. Im actually thinking something could of happened when i added nutes the last time maybe something was off...tested the first gallon came out at 550ppm but i should of tested every single 1 of them. Lesson learned.

Just seems like i keep battling salt buildup problems. Maybe not mixing nutes good enough or something?

Appreciate the comments everyone! :)
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What are you using and you sequence of mixing?
 
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