Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
That was exactly my point about policing the use of public amenities. If you have to do that, no one can afford to use them.
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Highland Rogue
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Please don't misconstrue my position. I'm not in favor of a default situation where a central authority, the Feds, rules other people.
I am an advocate of maximum liberty and personal responsibility.
hhibrownsbacker
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There's no way in hell I'd block him, I need all the humor I can get. Without Highland, what would I have to laugh at. I can do without the chill.
Highland Rogue
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Except "in the real world" that's not what happens is it ? Facts have already determined that.
Also you never answered my question, I'd hate to move on, if you're just gonna leave me with blue balls.
Highland Rogue
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So, if you don't like picking cotton on THIS plantation, those OTHER plantations are gonna make you cut sugar cane !!!!
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
What if...
People that didn't pay taxes didn't get to vote?
That is always a "free-shit" vote for the left, and these people don't contribute to society.
If you had a fair tax, ~5-10% tops, and everyone paid it - no loopholes, for corporations, small business, low income etc. the revenue would be astounding. You pay 5% period. If you don't earn money other than from the public assistance, you don't pay taxes - but you also don't get "credits" or other bullshit where you actually get money back having paid no taxes.
And since there is definitely a conflict of interest with politicians promising more free shit for the indigent, they don't get to vote. If the people that actually pay into the system want to vote for it then so be it.
People that didn't pay taxes didn't get to vote?
That is always a "free-shit" vote for the left, and these people don't contribute to society.
If you had a fair tax, ~5-10% tops, and everyone paid it - no loopholes, for corporations, small business, low income etc. the revenue would be astounding. You pay 5% period. If you don't earn money other than from the public assistance, you don't pay taxes - but you also don't get "credits" or other bullshit where you actually get money back having paid no taxes.
And since there is definitely a conflict of interest with politicians promising more free shit for the indigent, they don't get to vote. If the people that actually pay into the system want to vote for it then so be it.
Highland Rogue
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I think you're funny too, just saying.
Highland Rogue
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What if people who vote that other people MUST do X, even when the other people are being peaceful were seen as initiators of aggression ?
So, if people voted for slavery, a "war on drugs" you'd just accept it and obey ? Willingly send your money to the bosses and accept that outcome ?
Highland Rogue
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So, without forcible taxation, it would be harder for them to enforce a war on drugs or bomb children overseas who never harmed anybody ? Hey, that's great!!
Good point, you're starting to come around. Except you seem to not like answering questions that you wish I hadn't asked. What are your core principles? Are you okay with forcing other people, to make you pay for their ideas even if you disagree with them and never asked to be included ?
Highland Rogue
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I like that. Thanks.
MtRainDog
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Civilization is a propped up thing that requires buy in from its members. This means some will toil in the fields, and others will make decisions. You might not like all of those decisions, but in exchange you get a military, a road system, certain protections against famine, etc. In addition, you get an open exchange of ideas, goods, and other services from all these more people living in your society. Progress, right?
If we all go back to the "I'm only doing what I want to do dagnabit!" mentality, then society will start to break down. It's a compromise, but personally I chose some of that progress since it fills my life with all sorts of cool shit I couldn't have came up with myself.
If we all go back to the "I'm only doing what I want to do dagnabit!" mentality, then society will start to break down. It's a compromise, but personally I chose some of that progress since it fills my life with all sorts of cool shit I couldn't have came up with myself.
Highland Rogue
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So, you're implying that imposing a consistent forcible tax on people equally is justice ? Everyone gets the same percentage level of beating!
How is fixating on a percentage number going to be fair if some people are still paying for things they don't support, don't want and don't use ?
If Nancy Pelosi determines she wants to use money forcibly extracted from you to pay for every empty headed 70 year old bimbo (like her) to have a breast lift because she thinks it's a "right", you'd be okay with that as long as everyone paid the same percentage ?
Highland Rogue
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So you're saying the height of civilization is "forced buy in" ? If we don't force people to accept and pay for our ideas, we might have some OTHER people come along and disrupt all that and force us to pay for their ideas ? Sounds like circular reasoning.
I think civilization is an evolving thing and the best ones are anchored to some principles.
Are you making the default assumption that unless we force people to pay for ideas we won't have a civilization ? You are opposed to "mo government" until you're not ? Hmmm.
Okay, question for you. I'm wondering about your claim that "mo government means mo problems, if that's what you really think.
Can you or anyone else delegate a right you don't have ?
Highland Rogue
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No, I don't think I have. Could you show me where I said that ?
I've implied, you own yourself, but you don't own other people. None of us do.
MtRainDog
Blümen Meister
No, you're free to leave.
No more than if you remove laws and law enforcement you won't have a civilization.
What? My point was that government breeds bureaucracy. Your last question makes no sense.
Highland Rogue
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Actually people are NOT free to leave, they have to pay to leave and attain permission, (passports etc.) from ANOTHER plantation to live there. I could elaborate on this more, maybe another time.
I'm not for removing laws and law enforcement, I'm for removing a central authority which arbitrarily acts as if it owns you. Can laws exist in the absence of a State ? Can there be competing modes of arbitration and justice systems ? I say there can be.
I agree with you and appreciate that you said government breeds bureaucracy. Do you agree with me, that the primary means of government is a threat of violence, even against peaceful people if they do not comply?
No my last question makes ALOT of sense. Is it possible for any person to delegate a right they do not have ? It's a simple question...
Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
@Highland Rogue , you do realize that if you weren’t paying taxes, you’d be living in squander in a third world place, don’t you?
Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
Oh, so in addition to roads, you’d like some of your tax dollars to go to law enforcement. Thanks for the clarification.
Highland Rogue
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I think you meant "squalor", but anyway do you realize that at least some of your taxes goes to bombing and murdering some people who've never harmed you ? Are you willing to admit that is a bad thing ?
On another note, I'm trimming a plant now and really love the idea that I can make my own seeds. Just squeezed a few MOB X Durban Special seeds out of a branch I pollinated last month. Damn, I love all this freedom!
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