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[Highland Rogue]

I can’t make any sense of what he is putting out. I pay my taxes. I drove on paved roads this morning. Guess I’ll send the county a thank you letter for maintaining them.

I'm sorry I haven't been more clear. Couple questions for you...

Would you willingly send the county drug dog some nice treats too or would you prefer not to fund that ?

How would you separate the goods and services you DO want, from the ones you prefer not to fund under the present system ?

 

[Old ST1R]

So, you never answered if you agree with your own ideas though. How about you do that, so I'll have a better grasp on your concepts?

Are you okay with forcing people to pay for things they consider unnecessary, don't want and don't use ? Are you okay with other people doing the same thing to you ? Like Prohibition ( I assume you're against that?)

Private businesses and public amenities ? So you're saying it's okay to make people pay for things they'd prefer not to and don't want and don't use in some instances ? Is that something that is flexible based on how people vote or is it tied to anything that relates to any kind of underlying
principle ?

So you do understand the difference, that’s good.

I assume that you are OK paying for some public amenities. Name five things your good to pay for through taxes.

 

[hhibrownsbacker]

Perfect example of garbage, pics of witches. Actually you should consider that living on a island idea. You could do everything you want and do without what you don't want while not interfering with the folks on the mainland.

 

[Highland Rogue]

So you do understand the difference, that’s good.

I assume that you are OK paying for some public amenities. Name five things your good to pay for through taxes.

None. Under the present model it's impossible to separate the goods and services I might want from the bads and disservices I'm forced to pay for. So I reject that model.

Alternatively, I'm good with paying for anything that I willingly made an agreement to use, consume etc. as long as I had the choice of not using it or seeking alternatives and wasn't forced to fund something I never used.

Also I'm not good with forcing you to pay for my ideas, services or products if you don't use them or don't want them. I respect your rights to much to do that to you. Why would you do that to somebody ?

I like roads too and would willingly pay to use them. How does my liking roads and my willingness to pay whoever owns them also mean I should pay for things I abhor and never want and don't use ?

 

[Highland Rogue]

Perfect example of garbage, pics of witches. Actually you should consider that living on a island idea. You could do everything you want and do without what you don't want while not interfering with the folks on the mainland.

Plus with my flying car I could fly over your house and watch you put your ideas into action. Which reminds me, you get to pay for the NSA to watch you too, even if you don't want that "service" !

Me flying over your house - "Hey!!!! Stop that hhibrownsbacker....she never consented" !!!

 

[hhibrownsbacker]

So you think seeking consent before engaging in sex is a bad idea then ?

WTF are you talking about? The only one around here stating they should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, is you.

 

[Highland Rogue]

The idealism is cute but not realistic. Make a world for ME...when I want it...and don't worry about anyone else or pay for anything they might need.

Just like raising Millennial children

If you didn't have to pay for foreign wars wouldn't you have more money to perform charitable acts if that was your thing ?

 

[Highland Rogue]

WTF are you talking about? The only one around here stating they should be allowed to do what they want, when they want, is you.

That's false. Please don't try to reposition my stance like that, it's not a very good way to proceed in conversation.

 

[hhibrownsbacker]

If you didn't have to pay for foreign wars wouldn't you have more money to perform charitable acts if that was your thing ?

Allot of good those charitable acts would be if we were being forced to speak Russian or Chinese.

 

[Highland Rogue]

WTF are you talking about?

I'm talking about the dangers of supporting ideas which remove consent and replace it with an "or else" edict.

You asked for a real world example of how my "theory" would work. I stated in the real world, it's better to seek consent from people, (make mutual agreements) before proceeding and used sex as an example.

Are you disagreeing that consent is a necessary ingredient in human relations and it's okay to force your choices on other people, even if they aren't doing the same to you ? Could you answer that please, so I'll not make assumptions on your ideas ?

 

[Old ST1R]

None. Under the present model it's impossible to separate the goods and services I might want from the bads and disservices I'm forced to pay for. So I reject that model.

Alternatively, I'm good with paying for anything that I willingly made an agreement to use, consume etc. as long as I had the choice of not using it or seeking alternatives and wasn't forced to fund something I never used.

Also I'm not good with forcing you to pay for my ideas, services or products if you don't use them or don't want them. I respect your rights to much to do that to you. Why would you do that to somebody ?

I like roads too and would willingly pay to use them. How does my liking roads and my willingness to pay whoever owns them also mean I should pay for things I abhor and never want and don't use ?

Ok one thing you’d willingly pay for is roads.

Consider that all of your tax money goes to roads and nothing else. Your neighbor picked the military, and all his tax money goes there and nowhere else. Your other neighbor picked something different again.

You good now? It all evens out in the end.

 

[hhibrownsbacker]

You asked for a real world example of how my "theory" would work. I stated in the real world, it's better to seek consent from people, (make mutual agreements) before proceeding and used sex as an example.

Thats BS again and only part of the story. You have stated that its better to seek consent BUT you have also stated that without their consent you should still be allowed to do what you want. Using sex as a example just shows that "no" don't mean "no" in your fantasies

 

[Highland Rogue]

Ok one thing you’d willingly pay for is roads.

Consider that all of your tax money goes to roads and nothing else. Your neighbor picked the military, and all his tax money goes there and nowhere else. Your other neighbor picked something different again.

You good now? It all evens out in the end.

No, I'm not good with forcing other people to pay for my ideas, services, products etc. if they don't want them and don't use them etc.

Are you good with paying Supermarket X even if you never shopped there ? Are you good with forcing somebody else to pay for Supermarket X even if they never shopped there ?

When you say it all evens out in the end, I'm not sure what your point is. Are you talking about equally forcing everyone to pay for things they don't want and don't use and somehow that's a good thing ? Hmmm.

 

[MtRainDog]

Make lists of what you're willing to pay for and what you're not. That'll help us all wrap our heads around your platform.

 

[H.A.F.]

It's funny seeing all of you still arguing with people I blocked weeks ago because they either don't listen or have no common sense.
This will make your life a little more chill:

 

[Highland Rogue]

Make lists of what you're willing to pay for and what you're not. That'll help us all wrap our heads around your platform.

Everything I willingly use and made an agreement with the service provider for, absent any duress imposed on either party.

Very little (nothing?) that I don't use and in circumstances where other people force their choices on me anyway and demand I pay them.

Which part of that ^^^^^ do you personally object to ?


Are you okay with me by myself or with all your neighbors forcing you to pay for our ideas even if you never asked for them and didn't use them?

 

[Highland Rogue]

It's funny seeing all of you still arguing with people I blocked weeks ago because they either don't listen or have no common sense.
This will make your life a little more chill:
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It's funny seeing you bash socialists while advocating for it too.

You are ignoring your own claims....when it's convenient, but you have a decent vegetable garden, so you're not all bad.

I'm not a Socialist, in the sense I would force it on other people. It's not for me though.

 

[MtRainDog]

Everything I willingly use and made an agreement with the service provider for, absent any duress imposed on either party.

Very little (nothing?) that I don't use and in circumstances where other people force their choices on me anyway and demand I pay them.

Which part of that ^^^^^ do you personally object to ?


Are you okay with me by myself or with all your neighbors forcing you to pay for our ideas even if you never asked for them and didn't use them?

This personal opt-in tracking system of paying taxes sounds a bit too daunting an administrative task for today's federal government. This is way more complex than ACA, and we all remember how the rollout of that website went.

Reminds me of when Florida decided to make welfare recipients take drug tests. They shut the program down within a couple months because the unexpected administrative time and costs dwarfed what they attempted to save in the first place.

Mo government, mo problems.

 

[Old ST1R]

Everything I willingly use and made an agreement with the service provider for, absent any duress imposed on either party.

Very little (nothing?) that I don't use and in circumstances where other people force their choices on me anyway and demand I pay them.

Which part of that ^^^^^ do you personally object to ?


Are you okay with me by myself or with all your neighbors forcing you to pay for our ideas even if you never asked for them and didn't use them?

We’ve already determined that all of your tax dollars go to roads and nothing else, so you aren’t paying for shit YOU don’t use.

Move on with your life.

 

[H.A.F.]

This personal opt-in tracking system of paying taxes sounds a bit too daunting an administrative task for today's federal government. This is way more complex than ACA, and we all remember how the rollout of that website went.

Reminds me of when Florida decided to make welfare recipients take drug tests. They shut the program down within a couple months because the unexpected administrative time and costs dwarfed what they attempted to save in the first place.

Mo government, mo problems.

Need cheaper, easier drug tests