PhatNuggz
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Just to be clear, it's now ~ 12 hours after adding 30ml/g to my rez. Now, I dump the nutes and refill water only + 15ml/g H2O2 for 24 hours, then make fresh nutes + 10-15ml H2O2/g?
Triple Berry + Hydro
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Just to be clear, it's now ~ 12 hours after adding 30ml/g to my rez. Now, I dump the nutes and refill water only + 15ml/g H2O2 for 24 hours, then make fresh nutes + 10-15ml H2O2/g?
PhatNuggz
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OK, I followed HRs recommendation. Now 12 hours later, I washed the roots off and dunked in ~ 15% H2O2, rinsed again and put back in rezes. Hoping to hear from HR about dumping current nutes and using water only + 15% H2O2/G
Thought I'd post some pics showing dunking in small containers this morning as well as now ~ 48 hours using the O2G the plants have not wilted. I mIGHT actually be onto something with the O2G
Thought I'd post some pics showing dunking in small containers this morning as well as now ~ 48 hours using the O2G the plants have not wilted. I mIGHT actually be onto something with the O2G
Hydro
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Correct. Your beyond needing micro bubbles in your system so the O2G thing likely aint gonna be your "Hail Mary" to solving the root rot. Keep in mind, you have to clean and sterilize everything with bleach whenever you experience root rot like mentioned a cpl pages back. If you dont clean/sterilize...you'll just keep re-introducing it back into your systems.
Hydro
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@PhatNuggz
I have been thinking about your posts and how similar they are to ones Ive actually commented on regarding the exact same things over on RIU. So after racking my brain, I know who you are now (P.F.) & I've been on a few of your threads over on RIU.
Am I right?
I have been thinking about your posts and how similar they are to ones Ive actually commented on regarding the exact same things over on RIU. So after racking my brain, I know who you are now (P.F.) & I've been on a few of your threads over on RIU.
Am I right?
PhatNuggz
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Yes, I was PF on RIU, but got banned for political rebuttals.
I do not expect the O2G to be a 'Hail Mary' for the existing RR situation, but to replace other means of oxygenating my dwc starter system, or when they get transitioned to my F & D with outboard rez.
Now day 3 since using only the O2G (plus salts of course), but no method of agitation/circulation and the plants are doing as well as can be expected considering the poor stage of health they were at prior to administering your prescribed H2O2 treatment plan
This morning I noticed new root hairs on all the newest plants, which were about to go down hill
And while I have your attention, how long should I let the Triple Berry that I pollinated go before the seeds are ripe? It's been ~ 32+ days. I have seen 4-5 as the optimal time to mature
I really can't thank you enough. Others over on RIU failed to get at the heart of the matter with their advice
PhatNuggz
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Agreed, but advice given on another thread was mostly worthless and EGO driven
HR is the real deal
Hydro
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Ok, good. I just didnt want you believing that was going to be the cure all. I'll assume the RR has at least lightened up at this point? So is the O2G basically a venturi? In a F&D system, a bubbler is almost useless as the waterfall action of the return in a F&D system works to keep the res oxygenated and free from stagnation. Not that it will hurt anything having one, just isnt deemed necessary in that type of hydro system. DWC...thats a different story.
As for seeds, you may be able to get a peek at the seed itself if you have any growing "outside" the flowers.
I cant really give a time frame as every strain seems to run on their own clock, but usually somewhere around the 6 wk mark from pollenation is a good rough estimate for mature seeds. You could always bust open a tiny larf bud down low and get an idea of how far along you are. If those are done, the ones up top are likely to be just as ready.
As for the politics on RIU....its quite the toxic section. Though I enjoy the company on RIU, I havent had to use the ignore function since being here lol
PhatNuggz
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Here's a link to the O2G site https://www.o2grow.com/
The other issue was when I bought the O2G the directions were 30 minutes on 4 hours off, which added to the O2 being eliminated. After contacting them early this week, they provide highly revised directions anywhere from 30 minutes on to 1-3 hours off. HUGE DIFFERENCE that I was not aware of
As to my F & D: my setup feeds from near the bottom through Activ Aqua Screen Fittings and drains back through them as well: no separate return pipe, but in my F & D I run a small pump on a timer (see pictures).
- The O2 Grow patented technology elevates the dissolved oxygen levels 50% more than bubblers via electrolysis without increasing the temperature of your water.
- The O2 Grow technology actually “manufactures” 100% pure oxygen from the water molecule, by separating the hydrogen and oxygen into gas.
- It’s well documented that oxygen is needed to help balance pH, prevent root disease and ultimately increase yield.
- Oxygen is a vital component for activating microbes when brewing compost teas.
- Increased oxygen to the root zone has shown to increase the speed of plant growth, size of the root ball, number and size of flowers, and nutrient uptake.
The other issue was when I bought the O2G the directions were 30 minutes on 4 hours off, which added to the O2 being eliminated. After contacting them early this week, they provide highly revised directions anywhere from 30 minutes on to 1-3 hours off. HUGE DIFFERENCE that I was not aware of
As to my F & D: my setup feeds from near the bottom through Activ Aqua Screen Fittings and drains back through them as well: no separate return pipe, but in my F & D I run a small pump on a timer (see pictures).
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dstroy
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Here's the real deal:
I've been growing marijuana for a total of 2 1/2 years and you've got me beat by over a decade and you produce what you produce, while I produce what I produce.
I would say that what I produce is infinitely better than what you produce, so my simple observations should be valuable to you.
Why do you think I call out the loudmouths that never post pics of their gardens? Why should their advice be worth anything if their plants look like shit? At least in my very limited experience of RIU, those people don't know what they are doing. JUST LIKE YOU. You don't know what you are doing.
Remember when you tried giving me bad HPA advice over and over? I do.
PhatNuggz
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I've been growing maybe 8 years, so please do not exaggerate unless you have proof otherwise
No, I don't recall giving you HPA advice. I haven't done it in ~ 6 years. It actually worked for me, aside from the the lesson learned that during the summer that room got too hot as did the temps inside the tote which dehydrated the very delicate root hairs. Of course I learned that the hard way too.
I see O2G as the compromise, but I was using it wrong. Time will tell
PhatNuggz
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Yes, on and off, mostly off as a moved around the country quite a bit. Didn't get into seriously until about 8 years ago.
However, this begs the question, if I've disappointed you with HPA advice and/or what you've seen to date on this thread, why are you still subbed? Rhetorical question actually, so please don't abuse what this thread is about any more than you already have
PhatNuggz
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Im quite excited as the leafs on 2/3 newest plants are recovering, albeit slowly, with the 3rd looking better than yesterday, AND, the elderly BBCC x G13 never did droop even though she had a real bad case of RR
Doing another individual H2O2 dunking, and will change out nutes one more time.
Still seeing new root hairs. Once the plants are looking strong and growing again, I will close this thread and start a new one based on the O2G
FYI I just tried to check pH, but it is jumping all over the place. Why? The O2G is on and all those microbubbles are confusing the pH pens probe
Doing another individual H2O2 dunking, and will change out nutes one more time.
Still seeing new root hairs. Once the plants are looking strong and growing again, I will close this thread and start a new one based on the O2G
FYI I just tried to check pH, but it is jumping all over the place. Why? The O2G is on and all those microbubbles are confusing the pH pens probe
PhatNuggz
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OK, totes drained, cleaned with fresh nutes. Dunked all 6 plants individually in H2O2 for 10+ minutes, then rinsed. Most of the plants roots have lost 95%+ of the brown stain.
LOL (the seeded female) roots are still dark tan, so she's in a separate rez. Seeds not ready, likely due to stress and minimal healthy roots feeding the cribs, though there is some crystals all over them as well as on some of the small leafs nearest the "colas", pathetic though they are, my goal with LOL is seeds to bank for next time I want to pop TripleBerry
LOL (the seeded female) roots are still dark tan, so she's in a separate rez. Seeds not ready, likely due to stress and minimal healthy roots feeding the cribs, though there is some crystals all over them as well as on some of the small leafs nearest the "colas", pathetic though they are, my goal with LOL is seeds to bank for next time I want to pop TripleBerry
PhatNuggz
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It's been awhile
since plants don't get sick over night and neither do they recover overnight, especially from root rot there wasn't much to report
Excellent news: the biggest of the 4 newest plants (BBCC x G13) has spread her wings/leafs, meaning the stems are reaching up at a ~ 45* angle, the leafs should follow suit soon
All 4 tops have new leafs developing and 3 have pistils
I just pulled a lower calyx from the TripleBerry the seed is dark seems to be ready to harvest, but will give her a couple more days
since plants don't get sick over night and neither do they recover overnight, especially from root rot there wasn't much to report
Excellent news: the biggest of the 4 newest plants (BBCC x G13) has spread her wings/leafs, meaning the stems are reaching up at a ~ 45* angle, the leafs should follow suit soon
All 4 tops have new leafs developing and 3 have pistils
I just pulled a lower calyx from the TripleBerry the seed is dark seems to be ready to harvest, but will give her a couple more days
PhatNuggz
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I chopped Triple Berry down. When I separated the 4" netpot to access the 1" net pot inside that housed the coco pod, all those roots between the two were rotted. I was lucky to salvage it for the seeds
I guess it's time to start a new thread
Thanks to everyone who helped me figure it out
I guess it's time to start a new thread
Thanks to everyone who helped me figure it out
PhatNuggz
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Show of Hands
How many of you were certain MY PLANTS WERE GOING TO DIE and THAT the O2Grow would not do anything?
Can you see that all the plants have pistils at the top of each plant?
This certainly didn't happen without HydroReds extraordinary patience and advice
Well, here I am a few weeks AFTER using the O2G EXCLUSIVELY with plants that had suffered severe root rot- TWICE
Since the emitter creates a lot of mico bubble O2, I am not certain I need to keep adding H2O2 or Dutch Master Gold Zone, but will use them throughout this grow in the large tote, but will stop in the single bucket
Note, the roots clump together when pulled from the water BUT new root hairs are obvious.
Obviously the harvest will be pathetic, but that isn't the point AFAIC
What I have here is proof positive that the O2G with ZERO aeration works, helping to resurrect very very sick plants
I made fresh nutes today
Im excited to use it from the get go with my next grow
How many of you were certain MY PLANTS WERE GOING TO DIE and THAT the O2Grow would not do anything?
Can you see that all the plants have pistils at the top of each plant?
This certainly didn't happen without HydroReds extraordinary patience and advice
Well, here I am a few weeks AFTER using the O2G EXCLUSIVELY with plants that had suffered severe root rot- TWICE
Since the emitter creates a lot of mico bubble O2, I am not certain I need to keep adding H2O2 or Dutch Master Gold Zone, but will use them throughout this grow in the large tote, but will stop in the single bucket
Note, the roots clump together when pulled from the water BUT new root hairs are obvious.
Obviously the harvest will be pathetic, but that isn't the point AFAIC
What I have here is proof positive that the O2G with ZERO aeration works, helping to resurrect very very sick plants
I made fresh nutes today
Im excited to use it from the get go with my next grow