hhibrownsbacker
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Give it a rest, Im done with you. Too easy! C-ya
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Highland Rogue
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Sure, you get some rest too, you'll need it to be able to pay for all that freedom.
Whip Eurass
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BigBallzWillie
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Hey..........there's a large pot hole on I-84 and we need donations to fix it. Please remit funds for repairs to
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Highland Rogue
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I-84 has lots of pot holes.
Except it looks like you're misconstruing my position.
When I speak of voluntaryism, it seems like people think I'm saying payments for services should be based in whether the recipient feels like paying. That's NOT my position.
Payment and rendering of services should be based in mutual agreement. In other words nobody forces you to pay for products or services you didn't ask for and don't use. Nobody uses others products and services unless they reached a voluntary and mutual agreement with others.
I hope that clears things up for you. Maybe you could fill that pot hole with the strawman you tried to present as my argument?
How is this any different than the countless cities/towns that currently do not provide trash pickup? The town I live in doesn’t provide trash pickup and we somehow manage to not let our trash build up on our or our neighbors lawns.
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hhibrownsbacker
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You have no arguments, just a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo Crazy Ass make believe ideas that you twist around with fancy words and expressions. Go ahead and live your life the way you think it should be run and see where that gets you. In the mean time enjoy the real world
Highland Rogue
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Actually I have very good arguments and if you could you refute them you would.
One of my arguments is, in the real world, it is impossible to delegate a right you don't have to other people.
Would you care to present your argument that refutes that ? Be precise, no mumbo jumbo please.
Highland Rogue
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What you might be experiencing is a bout with your own emergent cognitive dissonance, triggered by new evidence disproving your long held (but illogical and contradictory) beliefs.
Normal? Well, okay then!!
Highland Rogue
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If you live in an illegal state make sure you take all the weed stalks and brown trim leaves out first !!
BigBallzWillie
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Oohkay..... What if there is no mutual agreement on payment and rendering of services? What then?
....you say nobody will force you to pay for services you are not using, what's the flip side of that? How do you get people to pay for the services they are using?
Nobody uses others products and services unless they reached a voluntary and mutual agreement with others.
Ok, what if there is no agreement and they are using services?
What are your solutions for those questions?
I would think the only way for it to work properly would be that one would need to have a receipt of payment of each service to use said service.
Highland Rogue
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That's a good question and the answer lies in the principle. Nobody has the right to initiate force, / use offensive force.
Everyone has the right to use defensive force or to hire someone to do so on their behalf.
So if you do have a real agreement with a person, honor the agreement or suffer the consequences.
If you don't have an agreement with somebody and they steal your stuff (that's an instance of using offensive force) couldn't you hire somebody to rectify the situation or use proportionate defensive force yourself ?
So what would you do when the thing that you hire (government) thinking it will protect you, first demands you pay it for things you don't want, don't use and never asked for ? Do you keep feeding that contradiction or do you try something else ?
Government = "I will first rape you, but I might defend you against others who might rape you" Is that an erroneous statement ? How ?
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Highland Rogue
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Sometimes. If you and I had a history of making good mutual trades, our word might suffice. Reputations can be built or destroyed by our actions.
Feedback is important. A person who is known to keep their agreements is aligning his interests with others and fomenting peace. The most important detail is that the deals people make involve mutual consent on both sides.
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hhibrownsbacker
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He has no working solutions because its a made up society. He wont get into specific areas or give specific answers and will change the subject back to something else in his utopian world order, which until proven and demonstrated publically, in a actual working society, is just garbage. His ideas wont work, show me one country that practices his so called society. I mean seriously, he posts pictures of some ancient human sacrafice as a example. Theres allot of educated people in the world but they are still stupid as hell. Education does not indicate intelligence. I wish him luck. But until he can show me specific actual examples of his theory's in action, they are just fantasy. If he wants to discus the real world we live in, Im ready. But I aint wasting my time trying to discuss someones fantacy ideas. If I wanted that, Id start a child day care business.
Old ST1R
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Who do you expect would pay for roads, street lights etc. without taxes?
BigBallzWillie
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He thinks it should be on the "honor system"
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