My Bagseed Experiment
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Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
if that FFOF is a Super Soil, yeah I’d take it easy on the nutes. Sorry for any confusion I might have caused.
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
I talk to them a lot. I think my husband thinks I'm insane. Lol. I actually was trying to talk to him from another room and thought I got too loud so I apologized to them. It is only crazy if they answer right?If you want to love on them, talk to them or play musicJust keep the rest of the mumbo-jumbo to a minimum.
I do have big bloom at 50% I'm using every other water. Would you recommend upping that to 100% every water? I'm watering again tonight so just looking to know before then.
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
I appreciate the clarification. I also understand that everyone has a different way of growing though so I take everyone's input into consideration. I was trying to comment about FFOF on RIU and got chopped to bits. Funny thing is, they were trying to prove me wrong by proving me right. It was stupid confusing. I prefer this method of different views. Much more civilized.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
If you want to waste twice as much nutes go ahead. They'll pee orange...
Repeat after me: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it"
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
I agree. Pushing extra nutes because they look good isn't usually a good idea. If they start showing more yellow than green they are showing a general lack of everything and need fed. The trick is to not let them get to that point, but to not feed them too much. You have to be like Nostradamus and shit
Stick to 25%. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
BUT - I use FF nutes. Look at the recommended feeding schedule. You should be hitting it with the Big Bloom every feeding, along with whatever else. That is the only one of the trio that you really don't have to worry about overfeeding. Think of the organic stuff like taking multi-vitamins. If you take a little more than you need, your pee gets yellower (run-off with excess nute-content), but it really doesn't do any harm.
I was just asking because of your previous comment that i should be using it every watering. So i was wondering if 50% was right for that?If you want to waste twice as much nutes go ahead. They'll pee orange...
Repeat after me: "If it ain't broke - don't fix it"
Your advice has gotten me this far. I'm not throwing it out now. My girl is looking amazing right now. No idea what the yield will be and I'm concerned about curing but that is a problem for another day. Realistically, if i get a good joint out of her I will be ecstatic.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Just teasing. I would alternate feeding and watering, letting it dry in between, and stick to 25%. But follow the schedule to see what it recommends for that stage of growth to know what to give 25% of. The change in ratios is supposed to be close to what the plants need.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
And if you are using the trio, flush when it recommends whether you think it needs it or not. By the time you think it needs it it's too late. The Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are harsh (not "organic"), but ok in moderation. Even in moderation they will leave mineral salts behind that the plant can't or won't use.
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
I haven't even used the Grow Big yet. Well, i did for my succulent. Where I switched to 12/12 so fast I never ended up using it. I've mostly been on the Tiger Bloom. I'm going to be relying on you all around harvest. I know nothing about flushing aside from the final flush around harvest time. That would be twice the amount of the soil correct?
Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
Just plain water for the last 10 days to two weeks.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
The schedule calls for it at flip, then twice more during the grow. I usually did flip and one more, mid flower, then prior to harvest.
About twice the pot volume. When I used them I kept flushing until the ppm in the runoff started to noticeably drop. The FFOF soil is in the 700ppm range right out of the bag, so I used that as a "goal" but usually tried to get it at least in the vicinity. Your average five-gallon pot holds about 4 gallons of soil unless you have it filled to the brim. So 8 gallons is more than sufficient.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
One thing to remember about amended soil - plants eat. They were eating those amendments from sprout until the first feeding. That is why it was amended, but unless you have a super-soil concoction that feeds them the entire grow, you have to start feeding them at some point. The "amended soil" part ceases to be a consideration for me once I start feeding them.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
As far as a flush causing something to look overwatered, that's about drainage. You can only add so much water before it is soaked - then it can't get any more soaked. Everything you add after that runs through. if you run 5 gallons through or 10 it shouldn't matter as long as you let it dry before the next watering.
One thing I did was have about a half gallon of feed mixed up and pH'd. After the soil was flushed, I would feed it. Thoroughly soaked soil will take a little longer to dry than just watering to run-off. Sometimes there will be parts that didn't get as wet. Especially if you water quickly. So if you wash all the food out, then make it wait an extra day or so to get fed, that could contribute to any post-flush drooping.
One thing I did was have about a half gallon of feed mixed up and pH'd. After the soil was flushed, I would feed it. Thoroughly soaked soil will take a little longer to dry than just watering to run-off. Sometimes there will be parts that didn't get as wet. Especially if you water quickly. So if you wash all the food out, then make it wait an extra day or so to get fed, that could contribute to any post-flush drooping.
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
Thank you for the thorough run though on it. I read up a bit on it. It seems as with everything, everyone has a different theory on it. One said to flush once after starting flower then 2 weeks to 3 days before harvest.
Old ST1R
Grow Yer Own Stone
IMO, this is counter-productive to a flush.
Flushing is done to eliminate nutrients in the soil/medium so that the plants uses up the stores of nutrients built up within the plant itself, hopefully resulting in a smoother smoke.
In an amended soil with primarily slow release nutrients, flushing is pointless.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Flushing isn't just for nutes. I will give you that the one at flip helps shift the feed from veg-specific to bloom -specific, but you aren't trying to wash out nutes.
It's for mineral and chemical salts that inhibit the roots from absorbing food properly. If you notice the white build-up on the outside of a cloth pot, it's for that stuff. Some nute lines are more noxious than others. I think FF knows some of their stuff is, so they recommend more flushing.
Since I have been using organic stuff I haven't flushed the soil because that is just thinning the microbe-herd. But I also haven't seen the issues I have with the other stuff that would have me wondering if I need to.
BigBallzWillie
BE THE BALL
I agree with just about all of that. The only flush I'm interested in is moving to water only, the last two weeks
@Seed of Memory
for the record
I don't own a PPM pen,
I never water to 20% runoff
I have not ever used twice the pot volume of water
I never check the run off that I don't do
I don't have any or have I ever seen a white build up on my fabric pots
I will not eat green eggs and ham
I barely use the first two parts of FF trio. (More so in depleted soil, never in new FFOF) Actually using MegaCrop now for veg.
There are many things I grow in dirt besides weed, none of them are that complicated.....neither is weed.
On average, my system gets me 2 zips per adolescent bean pole and 4 zips if I want to train and veg longer than 2 weeks. My jars are jammed!
Seed of Memory
Paradise Found
That is where I need to be. My husband saw a shelf of jars in a picture and was like is that where we're going? Told him only if I don't fuck it up.I agree with just about all of that. The only flush I'm interested in is moving to water only, the last two weeks
@Seed of Memory
for the record
I don't own a PPM pen,
I never water to 20% runoff
I have not ever used twice the pot volume of water
I never check the run off that I don't do
I don't have any or have I ever seen a white build up on my fabric pots
I will not eat green eggs and ham
I barely use the first two parts of FF trio. (More so in depleted soil, never in new FFOF) Actually using MegaCrop now for veg.
There are many things I grow in dirt besides weed, none of them are that complicated.....neither is weed.
On average, my system gets me 2 zips per adolescent bean pole and 4 zips if I want to train and veg longer than 2 weeks. My jars are jammed!
It actually seriously surprised me how much goes into growing this plant. Hence me being almost 4 months in and in the beginnings of flower for my first plants.
For now, I'm going to keep on keeping on. The girls seem healthy (aside from something odd I noticed I'm going to post separately) and I don't want to do something to knock them off their stride.