I figured I should update this post…only one plant got heavily seeded so I’ll probably use that to make some CBD hash. I’m glad I didn’t give up on them, though, because these plants are growing some really nice flowers.
Anyone had herm issues with regular seeds?
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H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
If you aren't even worried about trying to get the beans out (and tear up the plants) you should get some pristine hash from the first run or two.
Yeah, I have extra seeds already so I’m not worried about shucking any.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Save the bubble-hash pulp and put it in a propagator dome with a heat mat
SupremeOrganics207
Member
Any real breeder will welcome your questions and try to figure out what could have caused the banners. Maybe the line carries Hermie traits, could be environmental, etc. And any good breeder should know his lines inside and out and welcomes input and data collection from the folks that grow their gear. But today's atmosphere there are so many pollen chuckers in comparison to real breeders.
Sativa Kid
Member
I believe(my opinion) that the sexual history of a strain is the initial reason for a plant to hermie easily. So up unto a few generations if there are Fems then it has the tendency. The more fems in the line the worse the tendency. As example my landrace Thai has never had fem ancestors and when I tried to hermie it to breed fem seeds it failed, it just didn't turn and the prospective Moms had to be dumped as they were too far into flower to get a month plus in the bud. And I've never had the strain hermie even under heat stress that almost killed the plant when I had a timer fail on. On the other hand I bred a fem to what I called a dirty strain and it hermied very easily. The problem is many people breed without respecting sexual history.
Every strain can be reversed. I have never had a mom that wouldn't reverse. The only strains that cause herms are the ones already predisposed to carry the traits. Fems, regs don't matter.
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
I agree with this
%, everything can be reversed, even males. Now the amount of viable pollen made is a different story. Either it has it(Hermie Traits) or it doesn’t.
People making claims that fems cause herms but it's not, if that was the case than all females pollinated by males would cause herms.I agree with this
The problem is dumbass breeders that don't know how to properly reverse plants, so there using stress techniques and rodizilation or however it's spelled to make plants herm. What there doing is taking hermie prone plants and making seeds. The harder a plant is to get pollen, the less likely to pass on herm traits. Chemical reversal is just depriving the plant of ethylene to force it to.male flower.
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
Or even knowing it, ignorance is not bliss in this case. I know this is chuckers paradise, but when I’m on a serious project there is no “chucking” at all and everything is carefully selected, this includes full background profiles of both parents. I used to just wing it but found that the results seemed random even though they weren’t, but by building punnet charts I found predictable results and my time was used much more efficiently. I was a naive 20yo kid, then I started going to the library to study this shit since there was no internet, that made a huge difference
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
Yup, it’s pretty basic shit, but some people just don’t listen/learn OR they think they’re special, lol. The hardest ones to turn are usually are the lines to keep using, I noticed this too, wayyy back in the day when White/Black Widow was the boss
I had this dude on YouTube telling me I was doing it all.wrong and that he was using late flowering herms to use as pollen. Said that CS was causing herms. Can't fix retarded.
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
Jesus, why even say that? The pathways have been mapped out, science understands, we know that we can interrupt the ethylene pathway/conversion, CS isn’t the only thing that can be used and suggesting it’s the root cause of hermie tendencies is absurd and irresponsible. Its absolutely not the cause of hermaphroditism, that’s been laid down long before the application of CS. Gotta love YouTube’s comment section, some wise words there.
NoWaistedSpace
PICK YOUR OWN
There was talk about CS back in the early 80's. I never heard any more about it till the last 10 years or so. When did you all first learn of CS?
I've never tried to reverse a plant and hardly ever clone. I like planting seed and seeing what it becomes.
Leave that shit to you serious breeders.
I breed for fun like it's meant to be. lol
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
I feel ya, only just the fun changed for me and I got excited about the prospective pairings, THEN planting a seed and seeing what becomes of it. To me that’s much more fun than just using someone else’s stock.
Hyb from exe says this too. Any plant, fem or reg can be reversed. His juice works great too
Sativa Kid
Member
I would like to learn half of what your learning. Growing Cannabis supplies my medicine and has become my hobby. Genetics has been my passion until I get like 8 top shelf legendary strains in mega seed form. Then I will be happy that I will not see pollen on purpose again. Right now I have 5 batches in the oven. And I hope to be satisfied with at least 2 strains from my 5 in the oven. Then I would have 5 types of upper shelf genetics for my use. Now since you have much more experience in this field let me ask you about my theories about sexual purity of the parents? Is my assumption anywhere near correct in your opinion? Do hermies come from fems/hermie backgrounds. I've done stress test on strains I grow from trades and have abandon nice strains because I'm too lazy to grow a few generations in regular seeds to clean up the genetics. One of my sets of seeds in the oven is really nice fire genetics that is cleansing a fem grandma in the pile. I believe that I've learned that I can tell the general sexual history of a strain by trying to hermie a plant or two. If you have trouble getting it to hermie then it's clean enough to breed with, this is usually not the case even in some so called legit seed companies. But in the many months one strain review jumped through the hoops and one little plant surprised the hell out of me. I got it from a strain review where I had only 5 beans of so called Girl Scout Cookies, ya right I thought. I only have clones going but I'm working at seeding it. Almost everything died on me as I really got my butt kicked by Covid a couple months ago. But one little plant from the review died and gave a few great little blackish buds, great terpenes! This picture is a clone that lived my covid disaster, it took a rough ride mites and all. Now it's been healthy for a few weeks and will be smoked in a few weeks.
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Sativa Kid
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I've wanted to try to reverse a male, now I don't have to bother now that I know it's possible.I agree with this
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
That doesn’t look too bad considering what it went through, just a testament to what this plant can endure, Covid has got to be rough, glad you made it. Myself, Im pretty lucky in the sense that I can take or leave society as I see fit since I live in the country and bubble is pretty small and the people in it are super vigilant.
Lanestrainley
Really Active Member
I do this to see the profile that will potentially be passed on, nothing to smoke, just to rub and judge terps.