How to Max out a 4x4?

[LoudCountryBAMF]

So, ive got a 4x4 that has some clones and junk in there, but nothing worth keeping keeping, so im going to clear it out and start from scratch.

I would like yalls advice on how to maximize my 4x4.

I use coco and perlite. When ready to flower, I usually use 5 gal buckets on top of a stand and a drain catch under the stand. I can comfortably get 4 of those in a 4x4. But i have a feeling, that is going to need to go out the window.

Whatever solution we can come up with, it definitely has to be auto watered...

As far as coco goes, well i like it better than soil because i feel i have more control, but again, im not opposed to trying soil again, and honestly, i may do a living soil,..

But im all ears! What ya got?

 

[H.A.F.]

I would like yalls advice on how to maximize my 4x4.

That would all depend on what your definition of "max out" is. What is the end game?

 

[Old ST1R]

So, ive got a 4x4 that has some clones and junk in there, but nothing worth keeping keeping, so im going to clear it out and start from scratch.

I would like yalls advice on how to maximize my 4x4.

I use coco and perlite. When ready to flower, I usually use 5 gal buckets on top of a stand and a drain catch under the stand. I can comfortably get 4 of those in a 4x4. But i have a feeling, that is going to need to go out the window.

Whatever solution we can come up with, it definitely has to be auto watered...

As far as coco goes, well i like it better than soil because i feel i have more control, but again, im not opposed to trying soil again, and honestly, i may do a living soil,..

But im all ears! What ya got?

The permutations, combinations and opinions are endless.

 

[H.A.F.]

For me the "best" way for a variety of personal smoke for the friends and fam is to keep it on 12/12 and have flowers going all the time. Different stages of ripeness.

If you just have the one tent, plan on it being full at the end, not the beginning

I can flower out a plant in a 1x1 space. So for me the 3x3 tent is a 9 plant max. Your 4x4 would be 16. That's for 3 gallon pots. If you have 4-6 tops per plant you can contain them in the pot diameter. So of a pot fits, the plant fits. Bigger pots you'll get bigger plants, so it still works the same.

 

[LoudCountryBAMF]

That would all depend on what your definition of "max out" is. What is the end game?

Okay, hmm. Well, at first, i would like to run about 6-10 seeds and find something worth keeping, then I would like to produce the most weight possible, probably with clones i guess. I think sog would probably be the way to do that, but hmmmm thats a good question.

Well thats where i want to start, so i guess i asking how to optimize my space for x number of seeds...what would be the optimal combination for getting something decent from the plant and utilizing the 4x4. I know how to do that with 4 plants, but what about 6, 8, 10. Is such high a nunber recommended? @h.a.f talked about 9plants in a 3x3 pumping out a pound every 3months....

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Id depends on whether you want s mall number of monster plants or a sea of green. When I want to max out my tent I do a long (6-8 week) veg cycle and train the plants to grow out wide to fill the tent. This is four OG Kush plants at 8 weeks in my 4x4 under my old shit lights. Probably would've been closer to 6 weeks under my current lights, though.

 

[LoudCountryBAMF]

For me the "best" way for a variety of personal smoke for the friends and fam is to keep it on 12/12 and have flowers going all the time. Different stages of ripeness.

If you just have the one tent, plan on it being full at the end, not the beginning

I can flower out a plant in a 1x1 space. So for me the 3x3 tent is a 9 plant max. Your 4x4 would be 16. That's for 3 gallon pots. If you have 4-6 tops per plant you can contain them in the pot diameter. So of a pot fits, the plant fits. Bigger pots you'll get bigger plants, so it still works the same.

So you top at 4th node? , get three sets of branches and grow out to pot diameter and then flower?
I could see that working...
Ha, and then blumat....hmmm.. that sounds interesting..... and how much would one of these smaller plants yield?

 

[LoudCountryBAMF]

Ha, i really do have a fuck ton of seeds ive been wanting to try lol

 

[H.A.F.]

So you top at 4th node? ,

I hate "node count" because everyone does it different.
1-coty's
2-seed leaves (single blade)
3-3-toed node (usually)
4-First true leaf.

I never keep from node 1 or 2.
Node 3 Is usually a keeper unless one side is runty. then they both go.
Node 4 is either the top or bottom pair of limbs I keep. Topping is usually between node 4-5 or 5-6, just keeping 4 limbs.

 

[H.A.F.]

Just happen to have a perfect pics handy of my system.
Before

After

 

[H.A.F.]

this is a 3.5' x 3.5'
These are done stretching - all different strains, 2 different flip dates. All but the clone shrub in the back corner started out like the one above, and had a total of 4 weeks veg. Roughly 2-3 feet tall, easy to manage and re-arrange based on height. Main thing is that if there are issues, or if I get a herm since I run a lot of testers, culling is not a heartbreak and a do-over. I'll get 4 fat tops per plant, and each limb will dry out to about a half bag on average. Not really a lot per plant (~2oz) but after the first few runs managing the stash starts to be a thing.

 

[LoudCountryBAMF]

this is a 3.5' x 3.5'
These are done stretching - all different strains, 2 different flip dates. All but the clone shrub in the back corner started out like the one above, and had a total of 4 weeks veg. Roughly 2-3 feet tall, easy to manage and re-arrange based on height. Main thing is that if there are issues, or if I get a herm since I run a lot of testers, culling is not a heartbreak and a do-over. I'll get 4 fat tops per plant, and each limb will dry out to about a half bag on average. Not really a lot per plant (~2oz) but after the first few runs managing the stash starts to be a thing.
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That.....is.....fucking.....perfect .
Those are three gal bags?

sooooo... im gonna pop 12 beans tonight!!!

Think i could get away with 1 gal coco ebb and flow?

 

[treefarmercharlie]

I hate "node count" because everyone does it different.
1-coty's
2-seed leaves (single blade)
3-3-toed node (usually)
4-First true leaf.

I never keep from node 1 or 2.
Node 3 Is usually a keeper unless one side is runty. then they both go.
Node 4 is either the top or bottom pair of limbs I keep. Topping is usually between node 4-5 or 5-6, just keeping 4 limbs.

Why would anyone count cotyledons as a node? A node is where the branches form so the first node is the first set of true leaves.

 

[H.A.F.]

Why would anyone count cotyledons as a node? A node is where the branches form so the first node is the first set of true leaves.

I have had sprouts come out of the coty-node. A node is a juncture in the main stem where *something* forms. Depends on who you read.

 

[H.A.F.]

Those are three gal bags?

"3-gallon" trade (about 2.5gal) nursery pots. I go with plastic and up-pot as and when needed. I have a 3-tall Christmas Tree (auto) that I just up-potted from a 3 to a 5 LOL.

 

[treefarmercharlie]

I have had sprouts come out of the coty-node. A node is a juncture in the main stem where *something* forms. Depends on who you read.

Maybe we should just call them first real nodes. A node coming out between the cotyledons and the first set of true leaves is probably more of a mutation than anything. It’s definitely not common. I personally top just above the 2nd node from the first set of multi-fingered leaves.

 

[LoudCountryBAMF]

this is a 3.5' x 3.5'
These are done stretching - all different strains, 2 different flip dates. All but the clone shrub in the back corner started out like the one above, and had a total of 4 weeks veg. Roughly 2-3 feet tall, easy to manage and re-arrange based on height. Main thing is that if there are issues, or if I get a herm since I run a lot of testers, culling is not a heartbreak and a do-over. I'll get 4 fat tops per plant, and each limb will dry out to about a half bag on average. Not really a lot per plant (~2oz) but after the first few runs managing the stash starts to be a thing.
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How tall would you say those plants in the back arr?

 

[H.A.F.]

Maybe we should just call them first real nodes. A node coming out between the cotyledons and the first set of true leaves is probably more of a mutation than anything. It’s definitely not common. I personally top just above the 2nd node from the first set of multi-fingered leaves.

Which is why I'll refer you to the original statement - and why I used pics

I hate "node count" because everyone does it different.

 

[H.A.F.]

The coty's are the 'node' that the seed-leaves sprout from, the seed-leaves are a node that the next set sprout from - etc. I took biology and a semester of horticulture as a filler.

 

[H.A.F.]

a semester of horticulture

Half that shit goes right out the window when dealing with weed, or any other specialized plant - like orchids. But the basics still apply.