TheSadVeryBadMadGrower
Wait...what?
What are the ping pong balls used for? Plant identity?
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H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Nah - to keep me from poking my eye out.
TheSadVeryBadMadGrower
Wait...what?
That's actually a great idea. I have done it a few times and never thought of a work around.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
if you get the colored ones like for filling a bouncy house they're cheaper than ping-pong balls
A dozen top-flight cost what 50 Chinese color-balls did.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
I may do another chuck. Why? Because I said I never would 
The only issue I am seeing is waiting with tents not doing much but ripening beans. I see no evidence of pollination on any of the plants being flowered in a the tent that was just splooged in. So limiting the number of pollinated plants is key.
Flashback68. Knowing that I won't anyway I could easily smoke this every day. I don't ever see myself doing a reversal since I have beans, can take clones, etc. That said I don't have enough to share either. But once I make a plant of beans I'll never be able to grow out that's solved.
If the Dirty Flashback turns out well I want to get a few males and cross them back to a new set of Flashback68 from seed. I'll need to grow out a mess of them and look for a trait associated with the FB68 that might transfer to a male plant. Then do a male hunt for a few of those males and pop a few new FB68 beans.
I'll have enough Dirty Taxi F2's to run forever. I'll also have enough of the FB68 x DT cross that making more would only be if they start losing germination, AND they were the bomb.
Increasing the FB68 x DT doesn't sound as appealing to me as hitting new pure moms and refining the line.
It will take me a year or three of growing to get to that point And hunting through the FB68 fems and keeping a set of moms I like will be part of that. Since I'll be dropping more than a few every year I bought the last packs off Dagga. You snooze you lose.
The only issue I am seeing is waiting with tents not doing much but ripening beans. I see no evidence of pollination on any of the plants being flowered in a the tent that was just splooged in. So limiting the number of pollinated plants is key.
Flashback68. Knowing that I won't anyway I could easily smoke this every day. I don't ever see myself doing a reversal since I have beans, can take clones, etc. That said I don't have enough to share either. But once I make a plant of beans I'll never be able to grow out that's solved.
If the Dirty Flashback turns out well I want to get a few males and cross them back to a new set of Flashback68 from seed. I'll need to grow out a mess of them and look for a trait associated with the FB68 that might transfer to a male plant. Then do a male hunt for a few of those males and pop a few new FB68 beans.
I'll have enough Dirty Taxi F2's to run forever. I'll also have enough of the FB68 x DT cross that making more would only be if they start losing germination, AND they were the bomb.
Increasing the FB68 x DT doesn't sound as appealing to me as hitting new pure moms and refining the line.
It will take me a year or three of growing to get to that point And hunting through the FB68 fems and keeping a set of moms I like will be part of that. Since I'll be dropping more than a few every year I bought the last packs off Dagga. You snooze you lose.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
What it looks like is that I'll have a dedicated FB68 tent to flower whatever. The Chem91 worked just taking that top clone and immediately flipping.
I can pop a 6-pack and clone the top at 4 weeks then flip. If any don't root then they don't get kept. Andy from Greenway is digging the idea and has more FB68 crosses he wants to sent. too-many-beans...
But this is a long term thing. I have two different FB68 moms so the process has already started. I'll cull any that don't have that 'thang'.
I think the key will be the boys though. Probably best to have a handful of FB68 moms and "X" number of clones of each based on the number of different looking Dirty Flashback males I find to hit them with.
My goal would be to get more girls all hit with the same male or type of male that produces an abundance of FB68 like offspring.
But then I'd be done. That's all I want is to not have to keep moms at all. Growing out my Dirty Flashback, several versions of it's backcross, plus all the randoms I am making this round will be amazing.
It also gives me a purpose other than just trying to grow everything before it's duds.
I can pop a 6-pack and clone the top at 4 weeks then flip. If any don't root then they don't get kept. Andy from Greenway is digging the idea and has more FB68 crosses he wants to sent. too-many-beans...
But this is a long term thing. I have two different FB68 moms so the process has already started. I'll cull any that don't have that 'thang'.
I think the key will be the boys though. Probably best to have a handful of FB68 moms and "X" number of clones of each based on the number of different looking Dirty Flashback males I find to hit them with.
My goal would be to get more girls all hit with the same male or type of male that produces an abundance of FB68 like offspring.
But then I'd be done. That's all I want is to not have to keep moms at all. Growing out my Dirty Flashback, several versions of it's backcross, plus all the randoms I am making this round will be amazing.
It also gives me a purpose other than just trying to grow everything before it's duds.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Phenotypes is bugging me though. I know they matter in breeding or there wouldn't be elite clones. The only Chem91 seeded is the oddball.
There are two FB68 and 4 Taxi so I should get plenty of variety. If that sport Chem91 only passes it's traits I don't have a plain Chem91 cross.
Hunting the Chem91 one at a time and the FB68 by 5's fills a 6-cell. The FB68 is a 9-weeker, +4 weeks veg, theen a week before tasting. Dropping every 3-4 months won't overload me on the whole thing.
There are two FB68 and 4 Taxi so I should get plenty of variety. If that sport Chem91 only passes it's traits I don't have a plain Chem91 cross.
Hunting the Chem91 one at a time and the FB68 by 5's fills a 6-cell.
The FB68 is a 9-weeker, +4 weeks veg, theen a week before tasting. Dropping every 3-4 months won't overload me on the whole thing.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
I have a few getting new shoes soon. The 7 fems up front and a few of the regs. The dome has 6 of the "1968" beans that I got sent 800+ of to try and sprout. I dumped them all in the cup I use for sprouted seed teas and used the same process. Soaked for about 12hrs, then drained and rinsed. I did that every 6-8 hours getting them moist again then draining them. 6 popped an obvious tail-nub and got cells, the rest are s[pread like grass seed in the 4 cups. if any pop I'll snag them and get another cell going.
I thought they might not have the vigor to grow. so far 2 did. If I get a fat crop of these it's gonna be funny. This is the mom he lost that he tried to reverse and thought he failed - until now.
I thought they might not have the vigor to grow. so far 2 did. If I get a fat crop of these it's gonna be funny. This is the mom he lost that he tried to reverse and thought he failed - until now.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
checked before lights out in veg and I have 4 of the 1968 now. No sign of life in the cups but if I end up with 4-6 plants to play with that would be legit.
seeds and clones...
Since it looks like I'll be taking a mess of clones from the 1968 I am constantly trying to justify whittling down the clones I have kept.
The Chem 91 S1 in flower has some chubby leaves and is getting deficient looking in the older fan leaves. It's legit and I can find another in the next bean. I don't need to keep a clone of that unless it's to make more smoke. I found my unicorn if the real Chemdog doesn't blow it away in a side by side. Then I don't really need either. I think making sure I have the right one to hit with the Dirty Flashback pollen is all that matters, and hunting through those beans would probably supercede growing then Chem91 s1's. For now I'll plan on flowering the top-clone I kept when it's bigger. I still have the peanut butter one.
The Flashback '68 I am bumping up to about 40 beans with the last purchase. The #1 pheno I have is good - that's enough. When I get around to chucking pollen for the backcross I can use that mom and a few new seeds. Not even clones of seeds.
Dirty Taxi all I need is germination from the F2's. Good or bad I'll be hunting through those as well as the Flashback crosses first thing.
really only 2 to keep. and if the Chemdog is a better high than the p-nut chem then one. With the 4 longer vegged/big pot FB68 in flower i'm about to be rolling in that flower and I still have a flat of clones to flip.
seeds and clones...
Since it looks like I'll be taking a mess of clones from the 1968 I am constantly trying to justify whittling down the clones I have kept.
The Chem 91 S1 in flower has some chubby leaves and is getting deficient looking in the older fan leaves. It's legit and I can find another in the next bean. I don't need to keep a clone of that unless it's to make more smoke. I found my unicorn if the real Chemdog doesn't blow it away in a side by side. Then I don't really need either. I think making sure I have the right one to hit with the Dirty Flashback pollen is all that matters, and hunting through those beans would probably supercede growing then Chem91 s1's. For now I'll plan on flowering the top-clone I kept when it's bigger. I still have the peanut butter one.
The Flashback '68 I am bumping up to about 40 beans with the last purchase. The #1 pheno I have is good - that's enough. When I get around to chucking pollen for the backcross I can use that mom and a few new seeds. Not even clones of seeds.
Dirty Taxi all I need is germination from the F2's. Good or bad I'll be hunting through those as well as the Flashback crosses first thing.
really only 2 to keep. and if the Chemdog is a better high than the p-nut chem then one. With the 4 longer vegged/big pot FB68 in flower i'm about to be rolling in that flower and I still have a flat of clones to flip.
I may do another chuck. Why? Because I said I never would
The only issue I am seeing is waiting with tents not doing much but ripening beans. I see no evidence of pollination on any of the plants being flowered in a the tent that was just splooged in. So limiting the number of pollinated plants is key.
Flashback68. Knowing that I won't anyway I could easily smoke this every day. I don't ever see myself doing a reversal since I have beans, can take clones, etc. That said I don't have enough to share either. But once I make a plant of beans I'll never be able to grow out that's solved.
If the Dirty Flashback turns out well I want to get a few males and cross them back to a new set of Flashback68 from seed. I'll need to grow out a mess of them and look for a trait associated with the FB68 that might transfer to a male plant. Then do a male hunt for a few of those males and pop a few new FB68 beans.
I'll have enough Dirty Taxi F2's to run forever. I'll also have enough of the FB68 x DT cross that making more would only be if they start losing germination, AND they were bomb. So now i know where they went!
Increasing the FB68 x DT doesn't sound as appealing to me as hitting new pure moms and refining the line.
It will take me a year or three of growing to get to that point And hunting through the FB68 fems and keeping a set of moms I like will be part of that. Since I'll be dropping more than a few every year I bought the last packs off Dagga. You snooze you lose.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Since everything was going great I decided to lose power for a few days. Once it happened I only really worried about the flower tent. I hung half a dozen of those cheapo LED flashlights you get in a 10-pack with batteries. I actually bought them because at 3 batteries per light they were worth it even if the lights were shit. Anyway, I changed the batteries for both nights and they had two "cloudy" days, but with the right timeframe of light. Two weeks and we'll see if it does wierd shit. They seem perfectly happy.
For the other plants I said fuck it and they got sunlight. Since that changed their light-cycle they are no on during the day shutting off from midnight to 6am. The moms and other clones didn't get as great a light because it faces east. They looked a little droopy after day 2 but fine now.
The seeded plants and the babies got thesouth facing window, and I put up a fence to keep the cat out of that end of the house. These actually drank the pots dry with just window sun and the only casualty was that 2 of the 1968 damped off, the the other 4 got stretchy. Since they only have a few weeks left I put them at 18/6 and we'll see if Rasta Jeff is a liar. I just want to get them done.
For the other plants I said fuck it and they got sunlight. Since that changed their light-cycle they are no on during the day shutting off from midnight to 6am. The moms and other clones didn't get as great a light because it faces east. They looked a little droopy after day 2 but fine now.
The seeded plants and the babies got thesouth facing window, and I put up a fence to keep the cat out of that end of the house. These actually drank the pots dry with just window sun and the only casualty was that 2 of the 1968 damped off, the the other 4 got stretchy. Since they only have a few weeks left I put them at 18/6 and we'll see if Rasta Jeff is a liar. I just want to get them done.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
One thing I never considered is that 18/6 lighting is probably the biggest stress we give the plants. Not sure the lattitude but to get 18 hours of light a day sounds like some Arctic Circle stuff. First light the window plants saw was about 6:30am and the last glimmer was about 8:00pm I think at summer solstice it may get to 16hrs a day? Definitely not light from 6am to midnight.
One thing I did consider - over and over - was that any hydro grower would have compost arter 2 days with no power.
One thing I did consider - over and over - was that any hydro grower would have compost arter 2 days with no power.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
I got the last 20 (four 5-packs) Flashback in the mail today and the freebies were legit. Put your money where your mouth is I say If the beans starrt to lose germination in a few years better for me to have more.
From Uncle Doobie I got 7 Sour Diesel BX 2.5 x Sour Animal. His thing is sourr stuf so it's worth a pop.
The best was a pack of beautifully striped beans with the dark mahogany shell. It had a little heart shaped thing like a gummy but probably silicone andd a sticker in the pack but I didn't open it. It was from "NateLovesWeed" and it's a concentrate container with about 30 beans that are 707 crosses. It's (Lemon Tree x Kush Cleaner) x Lemon Tree and will get dropped soon because I need new flavors now.
From an unknown there's 6 [Moon Mountain Kush x 707 Headband] x Chemdawg Special Reserve F4. I have 5 packs from that chuck - F4 crossed with CLHP (that I sent them), the Kush/Headband, Super Sour Runtz, Honey Banana, and the F5's.
44 reg beans total. Enough to do a huge drop at some point and just see what pops. Half will be male but it'll still be 20+ females if I do it all at once.
The story from Mean Gene is that the Chem"Dawg" was the dweeb from Aficianado's spin on Chemdog, and it was hit with his Black Lime Reserve to get the CSR. I may frop the F5's first to reduce the #, then after I smoke it drop the rest see what's there.
Lots of stuff to do alongside running my own gear so I am trying to prioritize. The F5's might drop tomorrow with a few other older things of questionable germacity.
If the beans starrt to lose germination in a few years better for me to have more. From Uncle Doobie I got 7 Sour Diesel BX 2.5 x Sour Animal. His thing is sourr stuf so it's worth a pop.
The best was a pack of beautifully striped beans with the dark mahogany shell. It had a little heart shaped thing like a gummy but probably silicone andd a sticker in the pack but I didn't open it. It was from "NateLovesWeed"
and it's a concentrate container with about 30 beans that are 707 crosses. It's (Lemon Tree x Kush Cleaner) x Lemon Tree and will get dropped soon because I need new flavors now.From an unknown there's 6 [Moon Mountain Kush x 707 Headband] x Chemdawg Special Reserve F4. I have 5 packs from that chuck - F4 crossed with CLHP (that I sent them), the Kush/Headband, Super Sour Runtz, Honey Banana, and the F5's.
44 reg beans total. Enough to do a huge drop at some point and just see what pops. Half will be male but it'll still be 20+ females if I do it all at once.
The story from Mean Gene is that the Chem"Dawg" was the dweeb from Aficianado's spin on Chemdog, and it was hit with his Black Lime Reserve to get the CSR. I may frop the F5's first to reduce the #, then after I smoke it drop the rest see what's there.
Lots of stuff to do alongside running my own gear so I am trying to prioritize. The F5's might drop tomorrow with a few other older things of questionable germacity.
Shua1991
Super Active Member
The best germ rates I've got were from plants I repotted around the end of flower and revegged until new growth appeared. I still get 90% or better germ rate 2 and a half years later, just sitting at room temp.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Flower seems fine. positive thinking during the electricity hiccup. Never underestimate the power of redneck ingenuity.
This is veg since the closet doesn't effect the rest of the room. I use the tents screen vents so I can't have one veg and one flower and the room stays shut during the day. The 5g is the Tire Fire, the 7g is one version of Flashback and the 10g is another. All the spare clones. After a watering or two I'll flip them.
This is all seeded
4 seeded and 5 moms
And the next batch(es). The back 7 are fems and the three surviving 1968 are too. The PTK loner front right) might go. it looks wierd and I have packs of CSI stuff left. A few of the Paki are mutards as well. The Uzbek look good but there's tall and short and the sort ones were floppy after the 'sunshine days'.
This is veg since the closet doesn't effect the rest of the room. I use the tents screen vents so I can't have one veg and one flower and the room stays shut during the day. The 5g is the Tire Fire, the 7g is one version of Flashback and the 10g is another. All the spare clones. After a watering or two I'll flip them.
This is all seeded
4 seeded and 5 moms
And the next batch(es). The back 7 are fems and the three surviving 1968 are too. The PTK loner front right) might go. it looks wierd and I have packs of CSI stuff left. A few of the Paki are mutards as well. The Uzbek look good but there's tall and short and the sort ones were floppy after the 'sunshine days'.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Still no sign of a re-veg - yay me! And look at that chubby, yellowing leaf on the Chem91 back left
The clones and the Tire Fire looked fine so I flipped them. I have all the spaces cooking now.
With the seeded plants clogging the works I needed space so the veg-closet got the tweens, all fems except the 4 Pink Floyd.
The next project is getting these into pots. Tomorrow morning likely. I killed two of the Paki because they looked sick. Everything else looks to be growing out of the low-wattage funk they got for a few days. The PTK looks like it has a normal set of leaves starting so I didn't behead it yet. That and the 1968 will wait on getting pots.
The clones and the Tire Fire looked fine so I flipped them. I have all the spaces cooking now.
With the seeded plants clogging the works I needed space so the veg-closet got the tweens, all fems except the 4 Pink Floyd.
The next project is getting these into pots. Tomorrow morning likely. I killed two of the Paki because they looked sick. Everything else looks to be growing out of the low-wattage funk they got for a few days. The PTK looks like it has a normal set of leaves starting so I didn't behead it yet. That and the 1968 will wait on getting pots.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
One thing I noticed on the little cell up-pots was that because I waited they yellowed. Never wilted or looked bad, just showed hunger.
I waited too long on this next batch too but now that things are back to normal I know the limit now. I added extra castings to the up-pot soil for the littles.
I also have to get used to changing my veg cycle. I started up-potting tonight and the lights went out.
Nothing like waiting until the last minute, then it only takes a minute.
I waited too long on this next batch too but now that things are back to normal I know the limit now. I added extra castings to the up-pot soil for the littles.
I also have to get used to changing my veg cycle. I started up-potting tonight and the lights went out.
Nothing like waiting until the last minute, then it only takes a minute.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
The other plants have been moved so the little 100w tent just has these rare babies. Finding three fem plants in a sack of almost 100 beans that were considered not viable is legit. They might as well be considered moms right now. No issues but stretch with the power outage and that got buried.
All other veg plants are in here. back right are the 7 fems over to the one plant not in the grid. The left 4 are the Pink Floyd regs. Those were shabby looking before I got them in the living soil (from the seed-starter soil) They are 4-5 days ahead of the front 10 regs that just got pots and haven't greened up yet. but the tops are starting to look fine. I pruned away most of the necrotic stuff to prevent pathogens.
The experiment-tent is not showing et but stuff is stretching a bit.
I don't think I'll see a reveg. The most likely issue now is the stress making them herm. Hopefully since it was just a few days of low light it won't matter. Best part is that I have the real Chemdog andd the clone is alive. Look at those beautiful ugly fan leaves LOL
All other veg plants are in here. back right are the 7 fems over to the one plant not in the grid. The left 4 are the Pink Floyd regs. Those were shabby looking before I got them in the living soil (from the seed-starter soil) They are 4-5 days ahead of the front 10 regs that just got pots and haven't greened up yet. but the tops are starting to look fine. I pruned away most of the necrotic stuff to prevent pathogens.
The experiment-tent is not showing et but stuff is stretching a bit.
I don't think I'll see a reveg. The most likely issue now is the stress making them herm. Hopefully since it was just a few days of low light it won't matter. Best part is that I have the real Chemdog andd the clone is alive. Look at those beautiful ugly fan leaves LOL