My Bagseed Experiment

[H.A.F.]

You are perpetual, no? I've seen your work so I know you know your way around At any rate I submit that things that are second and third nature to you are or could be confusing to a new grower. I'm perpetual and I try to use the soil I made and then read the plants. Runoff does not tell you anything reliably, imo. It's all good

Noted, that's why I tried to put the "why" behind what I do.

 

[H.A.F.]

Using the recommended ppm on the feeding chart for the stage of growth is what I (roughly) measure against. And it is different for each nute line, so that's "by feel" as well. But it is a guideline a new person can follow, since @Seed of Memory said she get's the whole ppm thing and has the tools.

She is also "playing" with these plants in prep for seeds she paid for I hope she takes advice from more people than me. And we can agree to disagree on whether the runoff matters or not.

 

[H.A.F.]

Anyway - enough monopolizing the thread. Sorry. @Seed of Memory - post pics. If you want to get better advice, that can help people decipher any issues.

 

[Capt C]

Using the recommended ppm on the feeding chart for the stage of growth is what I (roughly) measure against. And it is different for each nute line, so that's "by feel" as well. But it is a guideline a new person can follow, since @Seed of Memory said she get's the whole ppm thing and has the tools.

She is also "playing" with these plants in prep for seeds she paid for I hope she takes advice from more people than me. And we can agree to disagree on whether the runoff matters or not.

I definitely remember learning about runoff was very confusing when i first started. It did eventually make sense and will be learned by her at some stage anyhow. Just maybe not right out of the gate and like @BigBallzWillie ( road kill master.lol ) was telling her to keep it simple for success.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Anyway - enough monopolizing the thread. Sorry. @Seed of Memory - post pics. If you want to get better advice, that can help people decipher any issues.

I'm always taking it in and there is no harm in knowing too much. And these discussions are rather enlightening and i don't even have to hop threads.

Ppm is rather simple. Like ammonia in a tank is straight deadly. Any ammonia is a very bad thing but you can run up to 20ppm in nitrate in an established tank and be fine. Plus, once that hops up I have a general idea of what caused it. Sand being lifted or my gobies not doing their jobs. Ammonia and nitrite could mean a fish died or a foreign object was put in the tank. Long story short, it really can tell you a lot about the mini ecosystem you have created. Which seems to be a general rule of thumb in this as well. I'm creating an ecosystem for my plants.

I'd rather get all the info I can and play with it while I can since I am using these as an experiment for my seeds (should be here by Thursday!!!) I'd be devastated for something to happen to these I spent a lot of money on. And @Capt C this is all confusing but as I implement each step it makes more sense. I am enjoying taking all the bits or advice and using what i can or am able to.

@BigBallzWillie Thanks man. Are you re-using your soil after grows? Gotta be honest, I have no idea what you mean by perpetual in this instance. Also, since you use this brand (fox farm) when do you feel it would be safe to put my new plants in it without a risk of burning? I did order FFOF for my next grow. I'm using rioters to start and just a plain soil. I actually make my own compost for my garden but I'm not sure if it would be good for this kind of gardening.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Using the recommended ppm on the feeding chart for the stage of growth is what I (roughly) measure against. And it is different for each nute line, so that's "by feel" as well. But it is a guideline a new person can follow, since @Seed of Memory said she get's the whole ppm thing and has the tools.

She is also "playing" with these plants in prep for seeds she paid for I hope she takes advice from more people than me. And we can agree to disagree on whether the runoff matters or not.

And again, as always, thank you so much for always commenting and helping me through my rookie mistakes.

 

[BigBallzWillie]

I'm always taking it in and there is no harm in knowing too much. And these discussions are rather enlightening and i don't even have to hop threads.

Ppm is rather simple. Like ammonia in a tank is straight deadly. Any ammonia is a very bad thing but you can run up to 20ppm in nitrate in an established tank and be fine. Plus, once that hops up I have a general idea of what caused it. Sand being lifted or my gobies not doing their jobs. Ammonia and nitrite could mean a fish died or a foreign object was put in the tank. Long story short, it really can tell you a lot about the mini ecosystem you have created. Which seems to be a general rule of thumb in this as well. I'm creating an ecosystem for my plants.

I'd rather get all the info I can and play with it while I can since I am using these as an experiment for my seeds (should be here by Thursday!!!) I'd be devastated for something to happen to these I spent a lot of money on. And @Capt C this is all confusing but as I implement each step it makes more sense. I am enjoying taking all the bits or advice and using what i can or am able to.

@BigBallzWillie Thanks man. Are you re-using your soil after grows? Gotta be honest, I have no idea what you mean by perpetual in this instance. Also, since you use this brand (fox farm) when do you feel it would be safe to put my new plants in it without a risk of burning? I did order FFOF for my next grow. I'm using rioters to start and just a plain soil. I actually make my own compost for my garden but I'm not sure if it would be good for this kind of gardening.

Re- using the dirt..........yes!

Perpetual= perpetual self sustaining growing. You da boss.

I don't start in FFOF, I use a starter mix under a peat pellet in a solo cup. You'll do the same or similar and put them in FFOF when they are done with the solo cup.

Use your compost as a tea.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Re- using the dirt..........yes!

Perpetual= perpetual self sustaining growing. You da boss.

I don't start in FFOF, I use a starter mix under a peat pellet in a solo cup. You'll do the same or similar and put them in FFOF when they are done with the solo cup.

Use your compost as a tea.

So for my bagseed I used the paper towel method for germination. My first round I was stupid successful. I had an over 90% pop rate on bagseed. My second run, it was less than 15% with duplicated processes. So I ordered some rapid rooters and I'm going to try both. Have you used those at all? I'm guessing the compost line was a joke that just went over my head. Guess I'll have to get a different soil for a starter.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Today's update: She (so happy to be able to say that now) is looking much better. Her top leaves are going green again after a bit of Epsom salt foliar feeding and nutes. Her leaves are no longer yellow for the most part. They are also getting larger and more are popping up now. My other plant still looks pitiful but is a beautiful bright green. Lights came on about an hour ago so they are about to suck up some rays.

 

[Gweedo]

If your interested try germing your seeds in a clear cup of plain room temp tap water, i tried it my last run and had 100% germ

 

[Seed of Memory]

If your interested try germing your seeds in a clear cup of plain room temp tap water, i tried it my last run and had 100% germ View attachment 33145View attachment 33146

I have not tried that method so i will definitely give it a shot. Thanks!

 

[H.A.F.]

I have no idea what you mean by perpetual in this instance

Since he was pointing at me when he said it the perpetual thing is not doing a "grow", harvesting, then doing another grow. I basically have a crop rotation. 2 separate rooms for flowering, but my goal is to get 1-2 females per run. One room (small tent) is just for seedlings and young plants. after a month they go into one of the other rooms to flower and I start more.

But I am not going for massive quantities. I only drop one or two fem seeds, knowing that they will be female. With regular seeds I drop 5-6 seeds looking for that same one or two females. Since I don't veg long I don't get ginormous "Tree of life" plants that fill a room. I keep them to about 4 tops, and prune away lower shoots to make those tops bigger.

Vegging about one month from seed for my 'rotation has produced 2-4oz plants. A few have been huge, some less than stellar, but harvesting a few ounces every month or so was easier to do with small rooms, than trying to harvest enough in one grow to last until the next grow gets harvested. It also allows room for error. If a plant has issues I'll drop an extra seed next month to fill the gap. If you have issues and it's your only plant and you NEED that harvest, it gets stressful.

 

[H.A.F.]

Since the plants are greening up the roots are probably growing again too. If they seem cool with your new feed system, you can start prepping for the re-pot. And since your soil isn't draining that well, I would lean towards repotting sooner rather than later. If you are going to get any additives for the "weed-soil" you got I would have that ready. Whether it is a major pruning or topping or a repotting, you don't want to hit them with too many stressors at once. It won't kill them or anything (usually LOL), but it can stunt their growth for a bit when patience would have avoided it.

With room to grow and more appropriate soil, they'll take off.

 

[BigBallzWillie]

So for my bagseed I used the paper towel method for germination. My first round I was stupid successful. I had an over 90% pop rate on bagseed. My second run, it was less than 15% with duplicated processes. So I ordered some rapid rooters and I'm going to try both. Have you used those at all? I'm guessing the compost line was a joke that just went over my head. Guess I'll have to get a different soil for a starter.

The tea part was no joke, lol.

How to Make Compost Tea

www.homecompostingmadeeasy.com

 

[Seed of Memory]

The tea part was no joke, lol.

How to Make Compost Tea

www.homecompostingmadeeasy.com

That is awesome. And would be great for all of my plants. Great share.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Since he was pointing at me when he said it the perpetual thing is not doing a "grow", harvesting, then doing another grow. I basically have a crop rotation. 2 separate rooms for flowering, but my goal is to get 1-2 females per run. One room (small tent) is just for seedlings and young plants. after a month they go into one of the other rooms to flower and I start more.

But I am not going for massive quantities. I only drop one or two fem seeds, knowing that they will be female. With regular seeds I drop 5-6 seeds looking for that same one or two females. Since I don't veg long I don't get ginormous "Tree of life" plants that fill a room. I keep them to about 4 tops, and prune away lower shoots to make those tops bigger.

Vegging about one month from seed for my 'rotation has produced 2-4oz plants. A few have been huge, some less than stellar, but harvesting a few ounces every month or so was easier to do with small rooms, than trying to harvest enough in one grow to last until the next grow gets harvested. It also allows room for error. If a plant has issues I'll drop an extra seed next month to fill the gap. If you have issues and it's your only plant and you NEED that harvest, it gets stressful.

I was just trying to understand what he was referring to. That is kind of where i would like to be in the future. For now i just want to get a successful harvest. But i would like to have an area for veg and flower so it is on a rotating plan. Harvest every 6 weeks or so on different plants.

Since the plants are greening up the roots are probably growing again too. If they seem cool with your new feed system, you can start prepping for the re-pot. And since your soil isn't draining that well, I would lean towards repotting sooner rather than later. If you are going to get any additives for the "weed-soil" you got I would have that ready. Whether it is a major pruning or topping or a repotting, you don't want to hit them with too many stressors at once. It won't kill them or anything (usually LOL), but it can stunt their growth for a bit when patience would have avoided it.

With room to grow and more appropriate soil, they'll take off.

So since I swapped them to flower do you think i should go ahead and swap them to the fabric pots when they arrive? The soil is definitely retaining too much moisture however. So if it won't be too bad I will swap them. I had just read that you shouldn't re-pot in flower.

 

[Seed of Memory]

So I am looking for ideas to lower the temp in my tent. It is staying at 82 and I cannot get it down. I run the lights at night. My house is set to 70. I run 2 fans on high. 1 for the tent and the other to pull air out with a ducting system to ventilate.

 

[Old ST1R]

So I am looking for ideas to lower the temp in my tent. It is staying at 82 and I cannot get it down. I run the lights at night. My house is set to 70. I run 2 fans on high. 1 for the tent and the other to pull air out with a ducting system to ventilate.

What is your relative humidity (RH)?

 

[Seed of Memory]

What is your relative humidity (RH)?

Bounces between 55 and 60.

 

[H.A.F.]

@Seed of Memory shotgun-blast reply, not quoting specific stuff LOL

I started out going from a solo-cup straight to a 5-gallon cloth pot. I was scared to repot because I might damage something.

Now that I am growing quality-testers I need more plants in the same amount of room - until I determine sex. Here's what I do, based on the advice of people smarter than me (cough cough @J.James cough cough)

• Seed to roughly as tall as the solo-cup is in a lightly "nute-ed" but highly fortified soil (hormones/mycorrhizae/bacteria/amoebas/pterodactyls/platypus, etc.)

It is fairly fine as far as sieve-grade goes, and retains moisture but drains well.

Amazon.com : Black Gold 1311002 16-Quart Seedling Mix : Soil And Soil Amendments : Garden & Outdoor

Amazon.com : Black Gold 1311002 16-Quart Seedling Mix : Soil And Soil Amendments : Garden & Outdoor

www.amazon.com

• After that the soil is the same. Pick a weed-soil and get used to what it does and doesn't give you.
• I go to a 1-gallon pot after 10-14 days, until they are ready for training at about 30 days (6-7 nodes), then I flip and repot to 3-gallon
• 3 gallon pot until they show sex, then my females go to 5-gallons.

So re-potting in flower is definitely not an issue - stop by and we can burn one and I'll prove it. Bring friends - I have plenty