My Bagseed Experiment

[Seed of Memory]

Another difference from tomatoes is watering. Let them dry between waterings. the pot should feel light before you water or feed again. If you soak a little plant in a big pot it will take longer for the plant to use it (and evaporation and stuff) than when the plant gets larger than the pot.

You'll want to feed them as soon as you get your nutes - but make sure you have the pH meter first so you can adjust the feed-water to about 6.5 ph. And if your pots are as wet as they look (might be a trick of the light) don't soak the pot. Just mix enough for a pint or so for each plant, maybe less. Then let them keep drying out. before the next time.

It is not a trick of the light. I had watered them on Friday night. I only water when the soil feels totally dry 2 inches down. They haven't needed it as much as I thought.

So even though I have never fed them still wait until it dries to give them the food? My order was delayed until Tuesday so it won't be here until then anyway.

I actually cut holes in the sides of the pot and used a pipe cleaner to hold it down. I'm looking for something to keep them below 3 feet basically.

Mind you, there is a good chance both plants are males. I'm using these for practice now that I should have my feminised seeds by 12/5.

 

[Seed of Memory]

I bend my plants but top them first. If you let the tops grow out the side branches will catch up. Once new tops have a few nodes I bend everything until they are horizontal. Creating a tabletop I use a length of plant tie or string and run it down to the pot. Spreads everything out, let's light in and lets all the lower develops into tops.
The ties, for me, are because every time I try the stem crush/break/bend to train the plant I snap them off and have to tape them up.

Which reminds me, if youre going to play with training them get some electrical tape. Its really pliable so it's perfect for taping them back together when they break.

I actually read that on grow weed easy last night while I was trying to figure out how the hell to train them. One won't bend at all. I have a feeling if I keep trying I'm going to totally snap it.

 

[BigBallzWillie]

These are easier than drilling holes in the pot.

 

[Old ST1R]

These are easier than drilling holes in the pot.

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I use those a lot in my growing. Some I use to cinch up the ducting when the light is raised, some to clip on sides of pots to train and I put some on a string to hand the plants when they are drying. They are called binder clips.

 

[GCG]

Thats hilarious how simple and perfect those are. Top inch of my pots look like Swiss cheese.

 

[Capt C]

I actually read that on grow weed easy last night while I was trying to figure out how the hell to train them. One won't bend at all. I have a feeling if I keep trying I'm going to totally snap it.

The type of training you are doing is called LST. You can do just about any thing you want to a healthy vibrant plant. What you are doing is not really all that stressful but like HAF said back off until you get them some chow and a little healthier.

 

[H.A.F.]

Which reminds me, if youre going to play with training them get some electrical tape. Its really pliable so it's perfect for taping them back together when they break.

Sorry for the crappy pic, but I put holes in the pot edge, then use rubber-coated wire to make plant-friendly hooks, and secure them with cheap-o garden twist-ties from a large spool.

If you have any breakage, grafting wax is a great band-aid. and flimsy self-tearing bandage tape is good too, because it "should" tear before restricting the stems growth.

 

[H.A.F.]

So even though I have never fed them still wait until it dries to give them the food? My order was delayed until Tuesday so it won't be here until then anyway.
No, they need some food, but I would not mix up a gallon for each plant and soak them. Give them a little taste and they should perk right up. When they dry out pretty well then you can give them a light feeding/soaking.

Mind you, there is a good chance both plants are males. I'm using these for practice now that I should have my feminised seeds by 12/5.
Good plan!

Using the plastic pots, going by the top few inches of soil might not be the best practice. I'll bow to any more experienced growers on this one. Once your plants roots are well established and they really start drinking it's not as important, but for now go by the pot weight. You should lift it and think "Damn!"

 

[H.A.F.]

I actually read that on grow weed easy last night while I was trying to figure out how the hell to train them. One won't bend at all. I have a feeling if I keep trying I'm going to totally snap it.

Topping, in your case would definitely save height. The red X is where you might prune. the plant looks to have gotten settled in and growing at some point, and the blue-line "bendy" part is a lot of stretch before the next node.

If you were to do this (after you get the watering situated)the two small sprouts near the X would become your two new tops, and would take the place of the single long bendy top.

 

[Capt C]

Using the plastic pots, going by the top few inches of soil might not be the best practice. I'll bow to any more experienced growers on this one. Once your plants roots are well established and they really start drinking it's not as important, but for now go by the pot weight. You should lift it and think "Damn!"

And then be surprised it could get that dry and not affect the plant yet.

 

[H.A.F.]

Oh, and then those two would get all the goodies that were going to the top, and would take off like the main one did.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Topping, in your case would definitely save height. The red X is where you might prune. the plant looks to have gotten settled in and growing at some point, and the blue-line "bendy" part is a lot of stretch before the next node.
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If you were to do this (after you get the watering situated)the two small sprouts near the X would become your two new tops, and would take the place of the single long bendy top.

You have been a well of information. Thank you. And the diagram is insanely helpful. On GWE it said to cut between the 4th and 6th nodes so I cut at the 5th. I can cut it more though. This is how it is looking today.

This picture if after I cut it but if you think it won't damage the health of the plant I can cut it lower. Now is the time for me to try these things so I'm not wasting plants I spent good money on.

I will try a very low amount of food for them Tuesday then. When I first started this I was completely ignorant of what I would need to do. In my confidence I believed if I could make my yard and beds bloom, I could do this. Gardening has been a recent discovery. Honestly, I didn't realize how slow they were growing when 6 weeks had passed and they were barely 4 inches. I had them outside and was just happy to see green leaves. Then when I started researching LEDs I said oh shit and discovered I was in over my head at the time. Now I just want to know as much as possible for my legit grow.

I brought them in around the 3rd week of October so all of this growth has been since then. They were 3 inches tall. I transplanted on 11/5 if I'm not mistaken and there are nice white roots coming out everywhere at the bottom of the pot. So they seem to like their medium. I've had a few people say that due to their structure they look like they will be males though it could be due to my ignorance of what I should have been doing. I have never done that before. I won't even watch a movie without reading a synopsis so I just thought it would be like growing anything else.

I really appreciate all of you giving me feedback when I post. It tells me if I'm doing it right or if I've made a mistake and it is typically fast enough that I can correct quickly with minimal damage.

 

[Seed of Memory]

These are easier than drilling holes in the pot.

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I've got tons of these bad boys. I'll try using them next time. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Seed of Memory]

The type of training you are doing is called LST. You can do just about any thing you want to a healthy vibrant plant. What you are doing is not really all that stressful but like HAF said back off until you get them some chow and a little healthier.

Wouldn't they get healthier with me taking off some of the extended bits and having less of the plant to spread energy to? Not being a smart ass, just genuinely curious. The LST seems the best way to go for me right now as my inexperience could lead to something disastrous if I tried something more complex. I'm still reading and observing other people doing their journals. At least I know now with my new seeds I need to start that training much earlier and it should be a bit easier. Those stems now are hard and brittle.

 

[H.A.F.]

Wouldn't they get healthier with me taking off some of the extended bits and having less of the plant to spread energy to? Not being a smart ass, just genuinely curious. The LST seems the best way to go for me right now as my inexperience could lead to something disastrous if I tried something more complex. I'm still reading and observing other people doing their journals. At least I know now with my new seeds I need to start that training much earlier and it should be a bit easier. Those stems now are hard and brittle.

OK, chances are you are going to lose some foliage whether you want to or not so I wouldn't do anything yet. That said, chances are your bag-seeds will be less than impressive whatever you do. Maybe male, maybe tending towards inter-sex issues, whatever.

That said, it WILL grow like a weed plant! Play with these, try and make them thrive. Figure out your lighting, ventilation, how to water/feed etc. and they may surprise us and be amazing. But if they go sideways you won't waste $$ seeds.

I would try different pruning and bending techniques and see what happens. LESS IS MORE! On everything. Any time you do any "stress" to the plant you should give it a few days to sort itself out before trying something else.

 

[H.A.F.]

Here was my first attempt. Bag seeds. I started them with my tomatoes. 12/12? What's that?

Long story short, I had leaf issues, found a forum, and in a total of six and a half months I "harvested" a quarter-bag off one plant and an eight off the other But I kept them going to the end and learned a lot.

 

[H.A.F.]

That was the best smoke I ever had LOL

 

[Seed of Memory]

That was the best smoke I ever had LOL

Now that ^ was funny.

Looks like you also definitely went with the foil wrapped box as well. What lights did you start with?

So any kind of harvest on a first run on bag seed could be a good thing. So the male plants will still have a similar growth pattern once they get swapped to flower? I know a hermie should.

I'll keep going with them as it was my plan. So my new question is, if they are males and my new seeds come in, do you all think I should wait to start my new ones until I've successfully gotten the bagseed going well?

 

[H.A.F.]

Now that ^ was funny.

Looks like you also definitely went with the foil wrapped box as well. What lights did you start with?
A "300w" Blurple (probably 100 watts)
So any kind of harvest on a first run on bag seed could be a good thing.
A harvest is rarely bad - getting there can be the challenge
So the male plants will still have a similar growth pattern once they get swapped to flower? I know a hermie should.
As far as getting used to what you should do to grow them, yes.
I'll keep going with them as it was my plan. So my new question is, if they are males and my new seeds come in, do you all think I should wait to start my new ones until I've successfully gotten the bagseed going well?

I assume you want smoke, not seeds? After you put them on a 12/12 light schedule, in roughly a week they should start to show sex. If they are males you are done. If one is male, it is done or the other one is going to make seeds.

You can start your seeds whenever you want, but I would hold off until you feel comfortable. It should only take a few weeks to get into a routine and learn more about how they grow, and what happens after you prune or train them.

I would flip them to 12/12 as soon as you have all your gear in place nutes, tent, ventilation whatever. When you flip they will start growing like a weed at a minimum they should get twice the height they are at flip. Some strains more. The longer you wait, the more height you get at the end. But when they are growing quick you can really see results of the stuff you do (good and bad)

 

[H.A.F.]

The good thing is you have bored stoners that will help you figure it out