Coronavirus

[gwheels]

I hear that but...free health care. There is a price and its a mask currently.

Suck it up buttercup.

Welcome to the Great White North.

Give it more time...this is just marinading in stupid sauce and its going to get a lot worse. And the quotes...you pay taxes?

Is that not submission to authority?

 

[Highland Rogue]

All Presidents get bashed, well almost all, the difference is which ones deserved it.

All Presidents behave as if they are above other people and all Presidents are paid with money that is taken via an involuntary process. Most Presidents have no problem ordering the deaths of people or upholding incarceration and torture of people for victimless crimes. That's criminal behavior. There are no "good Presidents". None.

If you or I behaved like that, we would deserve to be scorned and bashed. The reason we would deserve to be scorned and bashed is doing the things Presidents do, is wrong. By definition Presidents preside over an organization that is designed to subjugate people as if they were human livestock.

I hope that clears up any misconceptions on Presidents.

 

[Highland Rogue]

free health care. There is a price and its a mask currently.

Masks are not health care. For most people they are a badge of submission and obediently wearing them when "ordered to" will have unintended consequences on the few remaining privileges they still possess.

Also, there is no such thing as "free (government) health care". There are strings attached.

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Here’s a fantastic example of what I’ve been trying to explain about how the left just can’t live peacefully when they aren’t in the Oval Office. Goya donates 1 Million cans of chick peas and 1 Million pounds of food to help with the pandemic but, because their CEO said something nice about Trump in his speech, the left is calling for people to boycott Goya foods. Can those of you who are left leaning seriously not see anything wrong with this type of behavior?

#Goyaway: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Julián Castro lead calls to boycott Goya Foods after CEO's praise for Donald Trump

Twitter users are calling to boycott Goya Foods after its CEO praised President Donald Trump.

www.usatoday.com

 

[gwheels]

Masks are not health care. For most people they are a badge of submission and obediently wearing them when "ordered to" will have unintended consequences on the few remaining privileges they still possess.

Also, there is no such thing as "free (government) health care". There are strings attached.

It is paid for in taxation.

We an agree to disagree about the masks. It reduces the spread of transmission. And wear it or get a fine in most places in Ontario Canada. Pay to be free it works for me. Municipal bylaw enforcing it...geeze the parking enforcement giving tickets. That will make the news too things will get UGLY.

We dont have guns everywhere so maybe we are already in a boxcar...OMG the paranoia runs DEEP.

Many Canadians think your policies and idealism is as whacked as giving everyone free healthcare and we pay taxes for the poor bum on the street to have health care seems to you.

But it is ingrained in our culture.

like 1 year maternity leave and maple syrup and a double double at timmies.

And the mask...i wear it for that old dude...and that old gal who wish to be independant and get their groceries and have a very high rate of infection should it be caught...do i have it ? nope. My wife either (last tested negative yesterday she is in health care and gets regular tests).

But i know the old people will not get agitated and stressed and worried about me...even if that is all that it does its not so bad.

I shop when they shop...right on the edge of that time so its good to be kind to the elderly. My Moms would be proud.

The worst place of all....the beer store empties line. Up here man that is a hazerdous wasteland. 100s of previously sucked on bottles with stinky sweaty people in tank tops. I put mine out for the garbage pickers to take its not worth it for 60 cents a 6 pack.

Tax is a necessary evil. Unless you like jail because they go light on a lot of stuff but not income tax evasion.

 

[Highland Rogue]

 

[Highland Rogue]

Tax is a necessary evil.

No, taxation is theft. There are no necessary evils either. What you aren't actually saying, but what you really mean is, "it's not okay for YOU to steal, but it's okay for people who are your overlords to steal."

I'm sorry that you think so little of yourself and others that you think it's okay for some people to take your stuff without your permission.

Good ideas don't require force for funding. If that were an acceptable means, I could justify taking your stuff simply by uttering, "I'm sorry gwheels, I took all your gummies, but sold some of them to fund some of my ideas. I knew you wouldn't mind....here look at my magical name tag, I am "government" so it's not really stealing...."


Guns aren't everywhere? Really? If your government didn't have guns, would you still pay them when they demand money from you ? Why ?

 

[High kev]

love The explanations and how u guys break it right down. Tax. It’s voted on I believe. So only the people who voted no get robbed. Help me think

 

[treefarmercharlie]

love The explanations and how u guys break it right down. Tax. It’s voted on I believe. So only the people who voted no get robbed. Help me think

I think taxes are necessary but I also think they are abused and overdone in the US. I have no problem with a standardized income tax but it should stop there. I live in a state where we have an income tax, a sales tax, an annual "excise" tax on vehicles and even utility trailers, and the fucks in charge also expect us to pay sales tax on shit we buy out of state. Sell something on eBay? We'll take some of that, too! Want to use the highways? We'll just track your vehicle and send you a bill in the mail! The same dollar gets taxed every fucking time it goes from one person to another and that, IMHO, is theft or at least abuse of power. Then lets talk about the "tax" I like to call town/city transfer stations...In my town they just raised the prices of everything. My town wants $125/year for the privilege to use the transfer station (BTW, this is to use the transfer station, and they do not pick up the trash at homes)...but that fee just isn't enough of a kick in the balls so they also require that all trash must be in town trash bags that cost $2 a piece. What was that? You have an old mattress you need to get rid of? That will be an additional $50 to throw that away! And these fucks wonder why people toss mattresses and couches off the side of the highways. Oh, and that doesn't include the $700/month I pay in property taxes.

 

[Highland Rogue]

love The explanations and how u guys break it right down. Tax. It’s voted on I believe. So only the people who voted no get robbed. Help me think

Exactly. A voluntary agreement = "I will do x, if you give me y". Both parties agree, neither party has been forced or threatened. Consensual trade.

An involuntary "agreement" = These people voted to take your money. Tough shit. Except when other people make your choices for you and your opinion doesn't matter, what is occurring is the negation of freedom. Robbery.

In other words, before "government" can protect you, they must first abuse you and then they say, "well I'll make sure nobody but us rapes you".


What "government" would have people believe is if you or I threaten neutral people who don't agree with us, it's wrong.
If they threaten people who disagree with them, it's not wrong.

That is a contradiction and is clear evidence that there are two standards of acceptable behavior. One standard applies to the slaves and one standard applies to the masters. We should abolish slavery and replace it with voluntary associations, it's the humane thing to do.

 

[Highland Rogue]

I think taxes are necessary

Riiiiight.

How else would you pay for bombs and drug sniffing dogs and maintaining the world's largest prison population?

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Riiiiight.

How else would you pay for bombs and drug sniffing dogs and maintaining the world's largest prison population?

Money for roads and infrastructure needs to come from somewhere, which is why I don't have an issue with income tax, but don't confuse that with me being ok with us being over taxed and the money being used for shit it shouldn't be used for. I have a major issue with property taxes. A person should not have to pay a monthly fee to live in a home on land that they own. There are retired people in MA that have had to move out of their multi generational homes because they can't afford the absurd taxes in their towns.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Money for roads and infrastructure needs to come from somewhere

Anything that is funded thru an involuntary means. is wrong though isn't it ? So, if it's wrong from the get go, shouldn't we be willing to explore other possibilities of getting what we want, while not robbing other people?

It is possible to separate "bads and disservices" from actual "goods and services". The way you do that, is the things people want, they will pay for, the things people don't want, they won't willingly pay for. For instance, grocery stores don't insist you pay them, if you don't use their particular store, but if you do use a particular store, I assume you pay them. Would you be okay with me opening a grocery store and sending you a bill if you never shopped at my store ? Would you feel obligated to pay me ?

Besides, roads and infrastructure that people want would be voluntarily paid for by people who use them. Simply because the organization to create something was done one way, doesn't mean other ways to create a similar product or thing couldn't work. For instance sex. You could have sex with an unwilling person and you could have sex with a willing person. I assume you know that the means used to interact with people is an important ingredient and shouldn't ignored.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Here’s a fantastic example of what I’ve been trying to explain about how the left just can’t live peacefully when they aren’t in the Oval Office. Goya donates 1 Million cans of chick peas and 1 Million pounds of food to help with the pandemic but, because their CEO said something nice about Trump in his speech, the left is calling for people to boycott Goya foods. Can those of you who are left leaning seriously not see anything wrong with this type of behavior?

#Goyaway: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Julián Castro lead calls to boycott Goya Foods after CEO's praise for Donald Trump

Twitter users are calling to boycott Goya Foods after its CEO praised President Donald Trump.

www.usatoday.com

Chick peas though??? Ewwww!

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Anything that is funded thru an involuntary means. is wrong though isn't it ? So, if it's wrong from the get go, shouldn't we be willing to explore other possibilities of getting what we want, while not robbing other people?

It is possible to separate "bads and disservices" from actual "goods and services". The way you do that, is the things people want, they will pay for, the things people don't want, they won't willingly pay for. For instance, grocery stores don't insist you pay them, if you don't use their particular store, but if you do use a particular store, I assume you pay them. Would you be okay with me opening a grocery store and sending you a bill if you never shopped at my store ? Would you feel obligated to pay me ?

Besides, roads and infrastructure that people want would be voluntarily paid for by people who use them. Simply because the organization to create something was done one way, doesn't mean other ways to create a similar product or thing couldn't work. For instance sex. You could have sex with an unwilling person and you could have sex with a willing person. I assume you know that the means used to interact with people is an important ingredient and shouldn't ignored.

I get what you are saying, and I can't say I disagree with it, I just think there could be some sort of middle ground. The reason I think only having an income tax would work is because then those who are out of work at least wouldn't get buried even more from property taxes and such. We are living in a time when people basically have no right to live freely unless they are a burden on society and live on the streets or they completely disconnect and hide their existence from the govt. A good friend of mine had an uncle who lived in a cabin in ME for decades that had no running water or electricity. In the early 2000's his mother could no longer care for herself so she got him to agree to let her build a small house on his property so she could move in and he could help care for her. He told me that he hated living in that house because he could no longer ignore the news that she was watching all day long and he finally saw how fucked up society had become. One thing he said to me that I will never forget was "Ignorance truly is bliss and I wish I could go back to that blissful existence."

 

[gwheels]

Guns aren't everywhere? Really? If your government didn't have guns, would you still pay them when they demand money from you ? Why ?



wow

 

[Highland Rogue]

I get what you are saying, and I can't say I disagree with it, I just think there could be some sort of middle ground. The reason I think only having an income tax would work is because then those who are out of work at least wouldn't get buried even more from property taxes and such. We are living in a time when people basically have no right to live freely unless they are a burden on society and live on the streets or they completely disconnect and hide their existence from the govt. A good friend of mine had an uncle who lived in a cabin in ME for decades that had no running water or electricity. In the early 2000's his mother could no longer care for herself so she got him to agree to let her build a small house on his property so she could move in and he could help care for her. He told me that he hated living in that house because he could no longer ignore the news that she was watching all day long and he finally saw how fucked up society had become. One thing he said to me that I will never forget was "Ignorance truly is bliss and I wish I could go back to that blissful existence."

I appreciate that you get what I'm saying, thank you.

In matters involving actual individual consent, there is no middle ground. Other people cannot give your consent for you, that would negate the actual meaning of the word consent.

For instance, if you or I do not have the right to do something, we would say no right exists.

Therefore you and I and a bunch of other people couldn't possibly delegate our nonexistent right to other people to do a particular thing none of us actually have. Nonexistent things cannot be delegated. Self evident.


Except, that is exactly what the basis of government is, a bunch of people claiming to be your "representatives" doing things you don't have the right to do, therefore you couldn't possibly delegate the right to them. So they are either ignorant, lying or both.

The things that government provides which we might like could still be done, if we got together and everybody involved agreed to doing it and nobody not involved was threatened etc.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Guns aren't everywhere? Really? If your government didn't have guns, would you still pay them when they demand money from you ? Why ?



wow

I heard you echo my question. I did not hear your response though.

Where does anyone get the right to take your money from you if you prefer not to give it to them and don't want to buy their "service" ?

How could a person delegate a right to government to take your money, if that person never had the right in the first place ?

 

[High kev]

The Amish don’t have to pay taxes
How do they do it?

 

[Punisher84]

The Amish don’t have to pay taxes
How do they do it?

They also have inbreeding issues, I know how they do that!