My Bagseed Experiment

[Seed of Memory]

Flushing isn't just for nutes. I will give you that the one at flip helps shift the feed from veg-specific to bloom -specific, but you aren't trying to wash out nutes.

It's for mineral and chemical salts that inhibit the roots from absorbing food properly. If you notice the white build-up on the outside of a cloth pot, it's for that stuff. Some nute lines are more noxious than others. I think FF knows some of their stuff is, so they recommend more flushing.

Since I have been using organic stuff I haven't flushed the soil because that is just thinning the microbe-herd. But I also haven't seen the issues I have with the other stuff that would have me wondering if I need to.

The more research I have done on fox farm, the more I see this to be true. Especially as the company specifically formulated it for cannabis. Though considering that, their feed schedule is a bit intense. Are they growing steroid plants in the Emerald triangle or do they expect you to cut the dosage?

 

[Seed of Memory]

So on my daily check in I noticed something odd with my little plant. It was especially visible in the LEDs. It was not as visible in regular light but it isn't normal so I thought i would post it. I did a bit of research into powdery white mildew and it doesn't seem to meet that description entirely unless it is the beginning stages. Though my humidity level in the tent has been dropping from its regular 55 to around 42 which would be counter-intuitive to that specific issue. Also, I ordered a Cal-mag product so that I have it in case I run into that issue with my seedlings.
PS: I did do Epsom salt foliar sprays on these plants in the beginning due to a deficiency. That is where the odd hue is coming from. As for the chalk white veins in only some of the leaves, I have no idea.

 

[H.A.F.]

The more research I have done on fox farm, the more I see this to be true. Especially as the company specifically formulated it for cannabis. Though considering that, their feed schedule is a bit intense. Are they growing steroid plants in the Emerald triangle or do they expect you to cut the dosage?

My understanding is that most feeding schedules are figured out with more light than you or I have. Like 1000w for easy math. The more lights the more the plants eat. My 25% figure is based on that assumption (and works) because I have about 250w in each room.

 

[Seed of Memory]

My understanding is that most feeding schedules are figured out with more light than you or I have. Like 1000w for easy math. The more lights the more the plants eat. My 25% figure is based on that assumption (and works) because I have about 250w in each room.

I'm running a 300 as well so that makes sense. I never thought of it in those terms.

 

[Capt C]

So on my daily check in I noticed something odd with my little plant. It was especially visible in the LEDs. It was not as visible in regular light but it isn't normal so I thought i would post it. I did a bit of research into powdery white mildew and it doesn't seem to meet that description entirely unless it is the beginning stages. Though my humidity level in the tent has been dropping from its regular 55 to around 42 which would be counter-intuitive to that specific issue. Also, I ordered a Cal-mag product so that I have it in case I run into that issue with my seedlings.
PS: I did do Epsom salt foliar sprays on these plants in the beginning due to a deficiency. That is where the odd hue is coming from. As for the chalk white veins in only some of the leaves, I have no idea.

@Seed of Memory not sure if this has been discussed yet. I kind of pop in and out of your thread. Have you thought about or already implementing a IMP plan. I thought i herd you say your cat goes outdoors if this is the case and it is anywhere around the plants you run a higher risk of bugs than normal. That shot of your plant kinda looked like that spray residue. I have seen a lot of pictures that were similar to yours but they had spyder mite damage. That is what made me think to ask you about it. Like everything else you will get a lot of varying opinions on the best preventive maintenance plan to use. Now that i think about it @SCJedi should have some good ideas for you on this subject.

 

[Capt C]

So on my daily check in I noticed something odd with my little plant. It was especially visible in the LEDs. It was not as visible in regular light but it isn't normal so I thought i would post it. I did a bit of research into powdery white mildew and it doesn't seem to meet that description entirely unless it is the beginning stages. Though my humidity level in the tent has been dropping from its regular 55 to around 42 which would be counter-intuitive to that specific issue. Also, I ordered a Cal-mag product so that I have it in case I run into that issue with my seedlings.
PS: I did do Epsom salt foliar sprays on these plants in the beginning due to a deficiency. That is where the odd hue is coming from. As for the chalk white veins in only some of the leaves, I have no idea.

@Seed of Memory not sure if this has been discussed yet. I kind of pop in and out of your thread. Have you thought about or already implementing a IMP plan. I thought i herd you say your cat goes outdoors if this is the case and it is anywhere around the plants you run a higher risk of bugs than normal. That shot of your plant kinda looked like that spray residue. I have seen a lot of pictures that were similar to yours but they had spyder mite damage. That is what made me think to ask you about it. Like everything else you will get a lot of varying opinions on the best preventive maintenance plan to use. Now that i think about it @SCJedi should have some good ideas for you on this subject.

 

[SCJedi]

I can't necessarily tell from the pic but if you did a foliar with Epsom that's likely what it is. I see crystalline chunks which in and of itself looks peculiar. Outside of those I cannot tell if the white is salt residue from the foliar or powdery mildew.

Either way, @Capt C is correct, you should have a good integrated pest management plan (IPM) in place. Rotating through 2-3 different approaches is considered to be best practices. I personally use Plant Therapy, Flying Skull Nuke 'Em, essential oils, and a Pyrethrin product (bomb, spray, flowers, etc)

Of course you do not need to buy a Ready-To-Use (RTU) product off of the shelf as you can combine relatively easy to acquire items to mix and make your own, if that's your thing. I don't mind sharing recipes I have on hand.

 

[Seed of Memory]

@Seed of Memory not sure if this has been discussed yet. I kind of pop in and out of your thread. Have you thought about or already implementing a IMP plan. I thought i herd you say your cat goes outdoors if this is the case and it is anywhere around the plants you run a higher risk of bugs than normal. That shot of your plant kinda looked like that spray residue. I have seen a lot of pictures that were similar to yours but they had spyder mite damage. That is what made me think to ask you about it. Like everything else you will get a lot of varying opinions on the best preventive maintenance plan to use. Now that i think about it @SCJedi should have some good ideas for you on this subject.

I do have a cat but he is strictly indoors. He has always been an indoor cat but that does not mean pests couldn't get in another way or come through the soil. Good call. Also, thanks for popping in from time to time. Your advice is always welcome. I was just concerned because I had not noticed it being so white before. I am planning on culling that plant once my seedlings are ready to hit the tent though. I'm just using it to experiment with.

I can't necessarily tell from the pic but if you did a foliar with Epsom that's likely what it is. I see crystalline chunks which in and of itself looks peculiar. Outside of those I cannot tell if the white is salt residue from the foliar or powdery mildew.

Either way, @Capt C is correct, you should have a good integrated pest management plan (IPM) in place. Rotating through 2-3 different approaches is considered to be best practices. I personally use Plant Therapy, Flying Skull Nuke 'Em, essential oils, and a Pyrethrin product (bomb, spray, flowers, etc)

Of course you do not need to buy a Ready-To-Use (RTU) product off of the shelf as you can combine relatively easy to acquire items to mix and make your own, if that's your thing. I don't mind sharing recipes I have on hand.

I would love to have some recipes. I prefer keeping it in house as much as possible. The epsom foliar I did about a month ago and have not done since but the residual still lingers. I did finally break down and buy a Cal-mag product however so no more weird residues on my plant. Currently the only thing i use for pests is neem oil.

So basically the plants/pests can build an immunity to any products thus the rotation?

 

[Capt C]

I do have a cat but he is strictly indoors. He has always been an indoor cat but that does not mean pests couldn't get in another way or come through the soil. Good call. Also, thanks for popping in from time to time. Your advice is always welcome. I was just concerned because I had not noticed it being so white before. I am planning on culling that plant once my seedlings are ready to hit the tent though. I'm just using it to experiment with.

I would love to have some recipes. I prefer keeping it in house as much as possible. The epsom foliar I did about a month ago and have not done since but the residual still lingers. I did finally break down and buy a Cal-mag product however so no more weird residues on my plant. Currently the only thing i use for pests is neem oil.

So basically the plants/pests can build an immunity to any products thus the rotation?

Mine is pretty simple. I rotate Azamax and Flying Skull Nuke 'Em . Plus i am currently treating the coco couple times a month with a BT media soak for any fungus gnat larvae. Also keep a fair amount of yellow sticky paper around any plant growing.

 

[SCJedi]

Mine is pretty simple. I rotate Azamax and Flying Skull Nuke 'Em . Plus i am currently treating the coco couple times a month with a BT media soak for any fungus gnat larvae. Also keep a fair amount of yellow sticky paper around any plant growing.

That's an awesome plan. For reference, Azamax is azadirachtin which is the active ingredient in neem oil. Let me get on my PC later and I will share a few, including a homemade recipe for Nuke 'em

 

[SCJedi]

I do have a cat but he is strictly indoors. He has always been an indoor cat but that does not mean pests couldn't get in another way or come through the soil. Good call. Also, thanks for popping in from time to time. Your advice is always welcome. I was just concerned because I had not noticed it being so white before. I am planning on culling that plant once my seedlings are ready to hit the tent though. I'm just using it to experiment with.

I would love to have some recipes. I prefer keeping it in house as much as possible. The epsom foliar I did about a month ago and have not done since but the residual still lingers. I did finally break down and buy a Cal-mag product however so no more weird residues on my plant. Currently the only thing i use for pests is neem oil.

So basically the plants/pests can build an immunity to any products thus the rotation?

I haven't done it but if you buy bagged soil it's not totally unheard of for folks to microwave their soil to kill everything in it. I have a 22 quart pressure cooker so I might opt to run it in a turkey bag to about 160* for 90 minutes.

 

[SCJedi]

Knock off recipe for Flying Skull Nuke 'em:

• Insecticidal Soap (also called Potassium Soap) (10-20ml)
• Distilled Water (1L)
• Yeast (fresh brewery yeast or dry yeast) (20g)
• Lemon Juice (8.5ml)
• Potassium Sorbate (500mg)
• Sodium Benzoate (500mg)

The Lemon Juice, the Potassium Sorbate and the Sodium Benzoate are to buffer pH and are preservatives for the solution but they also prevent mold, fungus, powdery mildew etc. which IMO insecticidal soap alone can’t do. There may also be other insecticidal effects from these ingredients. The Yeast is possibly added so that bugs which are not instantly killed are eating the stuff so that the spray has a double-effect, which may be needed for some more difficult critters like broad mites.

INSTRUCTIONS

• Make 1L of insecticidal soap solution according to instructions for your insecticidal soap. (Typical is 10-20ml insecticidal soap for 1L water). (I use distilled water since with water from the tap the soap can sometimes form suds and flake)
• Add 8.5ml of Lemon Juice. Lemon Juice contains 5-6% of citric acid, so this comes to 0.05% of citric acid for 1L solution. You could also use citric acid directly, but why bother as everyone really has lemon juice.
• Dissolve yeast in the solution. I have no information about the exact amount of yeast to use, but I would add about 20g. Reason being that the yeast comes before the “Soap” (respective “potassium salts of fatty acids”) in the ingredient list for Nuke’Em. As we know we should use 10-20g of soap, take about the same amount or a little more of Yeast.
• Add 500mg of Sodium Benzoate
• Add 500mg of Potassium Sorbate

NOTES

If you want to make larger batches: Above is for 1L. 1 gal = 3.785L.

As this contains preservatives, it should be possible to make this spray and store for some time.

 

[SCJedi]

FULLY ORGANIC INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT

**These oils are simple hydrocarbons that'll break down in the presence of light and oxygen think ( cannabinoids or terpenes ) so they dissipate within 24 hours of use and will not harm smells or flavors.**

***DO NOT USE WITHIN 2 HOURS OF LIGHTS TURNING ON***

When using the Essential Oils for the first time, use it at a dose of maybe 2mL per Gallon. If you up to 10mL the first time, the plants, which are not used to the oils, may get burned. Start low and work your way up.

IPM 1-1: Foliar Spray (PPT BY ANDREW GUALDI)

Container #1
2 Cup of Warm Water
1.5 tsp Potassium Silicate (emulsifier)
1 tsp Aloe Vera Extract 200x

Container #2
1 tbs Mixed Essential Oils (ex. Cinnamon, Clove, Rosemary, Thyme)
1.5 tsp Neem Oil
1.5 tsp Karanja Oil

Container #3
1 Gallon of Warm Water (minus the 2 cups from Container #1)

Directions:
Mix Container #2 into Container #1
Stir, stir, stir
Dump into Container #3
Stir, Shake, Stir
Put into sprayer and use immediately

Use up to 10 ml of mixed essential oils (usually 3 or 4 kinds):
Lavender
Cinnamon
Clove
Thyme
Rosemary (Melts mite eggs)
Citronella
Spearmint
Peppermint
Eucalyptus

How to Emulsify: Use a small glass bottle with a screw cap. Add neem oil, K Sil (potassium silicate), a bit of water at room temperature. Screw the cap on and just shake the bottle for a few mins. If oil droplets are still floating around, add a bit more ksil and repeat the process. When it's a nice even liquid of milky consistency, pour into sprayer, add water add a form of saponin and go to town.
Also you may use Yucca Extract as well as Dr. Bronner’s Soaps.

 

[Seed of Memory]

@SCJedi So not within 2 hours of lights on. The only time I could hit them then is right at lights out. I either have or can access most of this. Thank you for sharing these. And rosemary kills mite eggs? You learn something new every day.

 

[Seed of Memory]

So I have LED glasses on the way and maybe they will help with my LED light pictures. I just don't get enough of any other light in my tent to see shit. Anyway. They are beginning to get a very pungent smell. I doubt it is their mature scent just yet but it is a great start. Makes no sense but it is a fresh and somewhat skunky scent. A light pine almost.

So I snagged some more pictures of the odd ball shaped object. Is this a set of pistils yet to pop? I couldn't get any better pictures of the white hints on the leaves so I will continue to observe.

 

[SCJedi]

So I have LED glasses on the way and maybe they will help with my LED light pictures. I just don't get enough of any other light in my tent to see shit. Anyway. They are beginning to get a very pungent smell. I doubt it is their mature scent just yet but it is a great start. Makes no sense but it is a fresh and somewhat skunky scent. A light pine almost.

So I snagged some more pictures of the odd ball shaped object. Is this a set of pistils yet to pop? I couldn't get any better pictures of the white hints on the leaves so I will continue to observe.

That last picture is a male flower

 

[Old ST1R]

That last picture is a male flower

Yep. Obviously some intersex issues.

Since there are obviously female flowers on the same plant, and you are using these to learn, I would pick off that male flower and check the entire plant in detail again in a four or five days.

I had the same problem with some fem seeds I’m growing, and after checking the plants in detail four or five times through the third or fourth week of flower, removing any male flowers I found, my plants are turning out quite nice.

 

[Seed of Memory]

That last picture is a male flower

Oh shit. I knew it. I thought I was crazy since it had flowers on it. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Seed of Memory]

Yep. Obviously some intersex issues.

Since there are obviously female flowers on the same plant, and you are using these to learn, I would pick off that male flower and check the entire plant in detail again in a four or five days.

I had the same problem with some fem seeds I’m growing, and after checking the plants in detail four or five times through the third or fourth week of flower, removing any male flowers I found, my plants are turning out quite nice.


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Thanks. I'm eventually culling it anyway. I was just so confused because it clearly had female flowers on it.

 

[Seed of Memory]

That last picture is a male flower

So from that picture until today, it has opened. You are absolutely right and it seems I was as well. All 4 of those pictures are of the same plant. Anyway, since it opened I don't feel comfortable leaving it in the tent with my girl so I'm culling it.