TheSadVeryBadMadGrower
Wait...what?
....just another way to gain higher tax rev by taxing grow equip.
Has anyone seen this before???
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Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
they make the comparison to when ppl were driving to Nj to gamble at Ac and the state was losing all that tax revenue. the state is looking at it the same way.
im actually letting myself get excited a little bit. the last time i tried to apply for a growers permit kinda crushed me. i thought the day had finally come back then...only to be swindled by 12 rich assholes who never even grew a tomato
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
That is where the gubmint and regulations, permission slips, licenses, certifications etc. all hinder capitalism. Blue states that are legal are showing exactly how to fuck it up with too many fingers in the pot.
The basic problem is gubmint trying to regulate something they know nothing about, but see a profit or votes in.
JohnFonda
Tegrity Greenthumb
I'll have to check this out. Everywhere I've been and seen you need a half mil for them to even look at you. Then you add in limited license and the politics . If you arent well off and connected your pretty much beat. This would be the kitties titties.
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
yup, you had to be rich to play this game....looks like that will be ending soon here in Pa. Going to put another business plan together and hope for the best. Its difficult to get ready for it when you dont no all the details of the bill, then they can always change something or add something in that wasnt suppose to be there.
i have a more optimistic outlook after listening to senator leach.
below is a copy of the bill in case anyone wants to read it in its entirety:
Senate Bill 350: -PDF
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
Looks like a new day is coming for Pa. Praying this passes. These are some of the main points in the bill:
Anyone who is at least 21 years old may consume cannabis.
A person with a homegrower permit may simultaneously grow up to 10 cannabis plants indoors in the person’s home. A homegrower permit costs $50 and $50 to renew annually.
Homegrowers may use or give their cannabis to other people who are at least 21 years old but may not sell or trade their cannabis.
Use of cannabis in public is generally prohibited but use lounges may allow cannabis to be used on their premises.
Anyone who is at least 21 years old may consume cannabis.
A person with a homegrower permit may simultaneously grow up to 10 cannabis plants indoors in the person’s home. A homegrower permit costs $50 and $50 to renew annually.
Homegrowers may use or give their cannabis to other people who are at least 21 years old but may not sell or trade their cannabis.
Use of cannabis in public is generally prohibited but use lounges may allow cannabis to be used on their premises.
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
so we cant sell or trade cannabis but we can give it away
Unless maybe we sell to dispensarys, which you might need a separate permit or liscense for.
sfrigon1
Seed Aficionado
Yup and u can get a donation,as well?so we cant sell or trade cannabis but we can give it away
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
The Department of Agriculture oversee regulation of cannabis growers, microgrowers, homegrowers, processers, dispensaries, use lounges, and deliverers.
The law imposes low barriers to entry on most prospective industry stakeholders.
Going to add a couple more points here:
Seed to sale tracking systems and testing protocols will not be required. Industry stakeholders may decide for themselves the best ways to manage inventory, maintain quality control, and ensure accurate labeling of retail products in accordance with the law. They face stiff penalties for violations.
There is no cap on the number of permits the state may issue. An applicant that meets the applicable requirements shall receive the permit for which they applied.
The adult use cannabis protocol works in concert with PA’s existing medical cannabis protocol.
To prevent large businesses from gaining outsized market share and to minimize the risk of monopolies developing in adult use cannabis markets, ownership of multiple permits is strictly limited. A person may have a business interest in up to three dispensary permits, one grower permit, one microgrower permit, one processor permit, and one homegrower permit.
Limits on the capacity of growers, microgrowers, homegrowers, and processors may be adjusted by the department starting three years after legalization begins.
A dispensary permit costs $5,000 and $5,000 to renew annually.
Dispensaries may sell adult use cannabis from the same sales counter that they use to sell medical cannabis as long as they keep the inventory and supply chains segregated.
Dispensaries may purchase cannabis from growers, microgrowers, and processors.
Dispensaries may also hold a delivery permit and a use lounge permit.
A 17.5% tax is imposed on the retail sale of adult use cannabis.
--------------------------------- ok so heres the bullshit ----------------------------------------
A cannabis grower permit costs $100,000 and $10,000 to renew annually
The size of a grower’s crop may be no more than 150,000 square feet of outdoor space or 60,000 square feet of indoor space.
Growers must maintain effective security, surveillance, recordkeeping, tracking, and control to prevent diversion, abuse, and other illegal conduct related to cannabis.
The Department of Agriculture oversee regulation of cannabis growers, microgrowers, homegrowers, processers, dispensaries, use lounges, and deliverers.
The law imposes low barriers to entry on most prospective industry stakeholders.
Going to add a couple more points here:
Seed to sale tracking systems and testing protocols will not be required. Industry stakeholders may decide for themselves the best ways to manage inventory, maintain quality control, and ensure accurate labeling of retail products in accordance with the law. They face stiff penalties for violations.
There is no cap on the number of permits the state may issue. An applicant that meets the applicable requirements shall receive the permit for which they applied.
The adult use cannabis protocol works in concert with PA’s existing medical cannabis protocol.
To prevent large businesses from gaining outsized market share and to minimize the risk of monopolies developing in adult use cannabis markets, ownership of multiple permits is strictly limited. A person may have a business interest in up to three dispensary permits, one grower permit, one microgrower permit, one processor permit, and one homegrower permit.
Limits on the capacity of growers, microgrowers, homegrowers, and processors may be adjusted by the department starting three years after legalization begins.
A dispensary permit costs $5,000 and $5,000 to renew annually.
Dispensaries may sell adult use cannabis from the same sales counter that they use to sell medical cannabis as long as they keep the inventory and supply chains segregated.
Dispensaries may purchase cannabis from growers, microgrowers, and processors.
Dispensaries may also hold a delivery permit and a use lounge permit.
A 17.5% tax is imposed on the retail sale of adult use cannabis.
--------------------------------- ok so heres the bullshit ----------------------------------------
A cannabis grower permit costs $100,000 and $10,000 to renew annually
The size of a grower’s crop may be no more than 150,000 square feet of outdoor space or 60,000 square feet of indoor space.
Growers must maintain effective security, surveillance, recordkeeping, tracking, and control to prevent diversion, abuse, and other illegal conduct related to cannabis.
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
Seems like to run an actual big grow your going to have to have some investors or your going to have to have the money for the permit. This is a step in the right direction but again excluding everyone who isnt a fucking millionaire from becoming a successful business in this market is just more of the same.
@sfrigon1 1st thing i thought of what about donations ?
@sfrigon1 1st thing i thought of what about donations ?
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sfrigon1
Seed Aficionado
Here u can gift up to an oz. And in return u can get a tip or donation for the trouble
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
the $10,000 annual aint shit once your up and running.
the initial $100,000 growers permit is going to be the challenge., Whatever you have saved, plus some small investments and then go to the bank with your business plan and try to get a small business loan.
its nice knowing itll only be the $10,000 every year plus whatever you would owe on the loan.
the initial $100,000 growers permit is going to be the challenge., Whatever you have saved, plus some small investments and then go to the bank with your business plan and try to get a small business loan.
its nice knowing itll only be the $10,000 every year plus whatever you would owe on the loan.
I'm not a fan of the need for a permit for home growers. It's not the cost, because $50/year is nothing, I just don't think the state should need to know that you are growing if it is legal. I would be shocked if you guys are permitted to sell your harvests to dispensaries, though, because that would require you to send in samples of each plant for testing and you would need a pretty robust tracking system for that testing to mean anything. I get why all the testing is necessary, but the testing and permitting processes put in place in most states just jacks the prices up and makes it hard for anyone without deep pockets to make a living growing weed. The govt just loves to take all these great opportunities and ruin them. The same happened with drone photography and videography years ago. I had spent a shitload on a commercial grade hexacopter, had jobs lined up with local realtors to film the properties they had for sale, and then the FAA came in and fucked us all before I could make a penny off of it. Now you have to have a licensed aircraft pilot (one who flies actual fucking planes) on staff and you have to get special permission from the FAA in order to do anything commercial with them.
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
well the bills right there if you wanted to read it.
-Seed to sale tracking systems and testing protocols will not be required
-There is no cap on the number of permits the state may issue. An applicant that meets the applicable requirements shall receive the permit for which they applied.
everythings subject to change obviously but compared to where were at now, this is a tremendous improvement.
thought is was funny, Leach says hes had a lot of republicans come up to him and tell him they support the bill but they cant be seen supporting the bill bc it would upset their constituents
I hope it all goes through the way it sounds because that would be great for you all down there. I think a lot of these republican politicians are full of shit. I know a lot of people who vote republican and none of them give a shit about the legalization of cannabis. I even know people in Kentucky who are all for the legalization and they tell me most everyone they know is for it, too. If anyone is against it, it is the far right evangelist types, and fuck them.
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
A micro-grower permit costs $250 and $250 to renew annually.
Microgrowers may grow up to 150 cannabis plants simultaneously indoors in their homes.
Microgrowers may accept equity investment from other permitees
Processors may purchase cannabis from growers and microgrowers. They may sell their cannabis products to dispensaries.
Tier A processor permits cost $1,000 and $1,000 to renew annually. Tier A processors may purchase up to 25 pounds of cannabis annually from growers and microgrowers.
Tier B processor permit costs $30,000 and $10,000 to renew annually. Tier B processors do not have annual purchase limits.
A deliverer permit costs $50 and $50 to renew annually.
Deliverers may transport cannabis from dispensaries to consumers. They may walk or use any form of transportation to do so unless it’s otherwise prohibited.
A deliverer may be an employee of a dispensary or an independent contractor or company.
The department will offer a training program that will teach people how to grow and process cannabis, how to comply with state and federal cannabis laws, and how to start and run a small cannabis business. Those who satisfactorily complete the program, who have a previous cannabis-related criminal conviction, and who have a household income below $80,000 may apply for state grants and interest free loans that they may use to start their own cannabis businesses.
Revenue raised from taxation and permit fees will cover the costs associated with regulation, enforcement, training programs, grants, and loans. After costs, 95% of the remaining annual revenue – an estimated $500 million in the first full year of operation – will be appropriated to the state’s basic public education subsidy, which is distributed to school districts according to the state’s 2016 fair funding formula. School districts may use this funding increase to invest in their school districts or reduce local property taxes.
******All criminal convictions for cannabis-related offenses will be automatically expunged so long as the conduct giving rise to the offense did not cause bodily harm and did not cause property damage. People currently incarcerated for such offenses shall receive commutations, and all related supervision shall end.
Pending criminal charges related to cannabis shall be dismissed.
Dispensaries that sell single-use vaporizers must accept and recycle used single-use vaporizers for free.
The buildings used by growers, processers, and dispensaries must be LEED or GBI certified.
Colleges and universities may grow and process cannabis for the purpose of offering classes related to the cannabis industry.
Microgrowers may grow up to 150 cannabis plants simultaneously indoors in their homes.
Microgrowers may accept equity investment from other permitees
Processors may purchase cannabis from growers and microgrowers. They may sell their cannabis products to dispensaries.
Tier A processor permits cost $1,000 and $1,000 to renew annually. Tier A processors may purchase up to 25 pounds of cannabis annually from growers and microgrowers.
Tier B processor permit costs $30,000 and $10,000 to renew annually. Tier B processors do not have annual purchase limits.
A deliverer permit costs $50 and $50 to renew annually.
Deliverers may transport cannabis from dispensaries to consumers. They may walk or use any form of transportation to do so unless it’s otherwise prohibited.
A deliverer may be an employee of a dispensary or an independent contractor or company.
The department will offer a training program that will teach people how to grow and process cannabis, how to comply with state and federal cannabis laws, and how to start and run a small cannabis business. Those who satisfactorily complete the program, who have a previous cannabis-related criminal conviction, and who have a household income below $80,000 may apply for state grants and interest free loans that they may use to start their own cannabis businesses.
Revenue raised from taxation and permit fees will cover the costs associated with regulation, enforcement, training programs, grants, and loans. After costs, 95% of the remaining annual revenue – an estimated $500 million in the first full year of operation – will be appropriated to the state’s basic public education subsidy, which is distributed to school districts according to the state’s 2016 fair funding formula. School districts may use this funding increase to invest in their school districts or reduce local property taxes.
******All criminal convictions for cannabis-related offenses will be automatically expunged so long as the conduct giving rise to the offense did not cause bodily harm and did not cause property damage. People currently incarcerated for such offenses shall receive commutations, and all related supervision shall end.
Pending criminal charges related to cannabis shall be dismissed.
Dispensaries that sell single-use vaporizers must accept and recycle used single-use vaporizers for free.
The buildings used by growers, processers, and dispensaries must be LEED or GBI certified.
Colleges and universities may grow and process cannabis for the purpose of offering classes related to the cannabis industry.
BrokenHoeFarms
Stress Tester
I wish my state would adopted those guide lines
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
Microgrowers permit is where its at
-$250 start up/ $250 Annual
-Can grow up to 150 plants indoors baby!@!@
-Can sell cannabis to processors
-$250 start up/ $250 Annual
-Can grow up to 150 plants indoors baby!@!@
-Can sell cannabis to processors
Artisan_tek
Insanely Active Member
@TheSadVeryBadMadGrower
The department will offer a training program that will teach people how to grow and process cannabis, how to comply with state and federal cannabis laws, and how to start and run a small cannabis business.
******Those who satisfactorily complete the program, who have a previous cannabis-related criminal conviction, and who have a household income below $80,000 may apply for state grants and interest free loans that they may use to start their own cannabis businesses.
The department will offer a training program that will teach people how to grow and process cannabis, how to comply with state and federal cannabis laws, and how to start and run a small cannabis business.
******Those who satisfactorily complete the program, who have a previous cannabis-related criminal conviction, and who have a household income below $80,000 may apply for state grants and interest free loans that they may use to start their own cannabis businesses.
BrokenHoeFarms
Stress Tester
Are you for real?
That doesn't sound like government to me