Liming Agents: What's the deal with all these products?

J.James

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Liming Agents: What's the deal with all these products? - BuildASoil

Here is a rundown on liming agents in general and what they contain

1. Limestone - calcium carbonate

2. Dolomite Lime - Dolomitic lime is a rock. It can be quite pretty. It is calcium magnesium carbonate, CaMg(CO3)2. It has about 50% calcium carbonate and 40% magnesium carbonate, giving approximately 22% calcium and at least 11% magnesium.

3. Gypsum - elemental calcium (Ca) and sulfur in the form of S04 meaning that it is elemental sulfur with 4 oxygen molecules attached which is important in the CeC paradigm. (Although Gypsum really isn't a liming agent.)

4. Oyster Shell Powder - calcium carbonate (CaCo3) - This product is not what it would appear from the name, i.e. it's not a product made from crushed oyster shells but rather it's a particular oyster shell mined from the San Francisco Bay from ancient sea deposits made up of very tiny and fragile oyster shells.

5. Crushed Oyster Shells - calcium carbonate (CaCo3) and this product is made from crushed oyster shells.

As you can see, all of these liming agents either contain elemental calcium or calcium carbonate and it's the carbonate which is used to correct acid conditions in the soil.

The reason that I do not recommend using dolomite lime is that it contains 2:1 calcium to magnesium. Whereas our soils are better with closer to 5:1 - 10:1 That isn't to say the magnesium isn't important - quite the opposite it's extremely important but magnesium has absolutely nothing to do as far as a liming agent.

Excessive magnesium will cause soils to bind up making it difficult for the plant's root hairs to move through the soil to exchange their hydrogen cation (+) for minerals, macro, and micronutrients.

In-plant or algae-based soil amendments like alfalfa meal and kelp meal, a review of the levels of calcium vs magnesium show that it's 4 and 5x - quite the opposite of dolomite lime.

Calcium carbonate is water-soluble while magnesium is not. You can use this to your advantage by using limestone in water as part of your irrigation program. I'd recommend about 1 tablespoon per 1 gallon of water. Stir, shake, stir, shake - then apply. This will provide your plants with the amount of calcium necessary to maintain health and growth vigor.

Crushed oyster shells are also pure calcium carbonate. It can be dissolved in water but that can take several days/few weeks. This is the product that chicken growers feed to their hens both for the calcium content (to ensure strong egg shells) but also for grit used the hen's gizzard to digest grains.

Oyster shell powder is pure calcium carbonate and is instantly dissolved in water.

You can use apple cider vinegar and soak the crushed oyster shells to extract the calcium carbonate. By volume, you would want to mix 1x crushed oyster shells (or eggshells) with 3x apple cider vinegar and let it brew for 2 - 3 weeks. The vinegar will extract the calcium from the eggshells in a concentrated form. Mix 1/4 cup of the vinegar with 1 gallon of water and apply it to your soil.

And if you take eggshells and put them into a large pan with your Weber BBQ fired up and heat them until they turn every shade of dark brown to black and then take them and crush them and do the same deal with the crushed oyster shells, you'll end up with calcium phosphate. Apply at the same rate noted above for the crushed oyster shells. You can also process the crushed oyster shell the same way - heating until charred and then distilling the calcium out with apple cider vinegar.

While it's true that the good old N-P-K deal dominates the cannabis growing meme, in the world of soil science the basic study is often about the building-block cations: Calcium (Ca+2), Magnesium (Mg+2), Potassium (K+1) and Sodium (Na+1) and the acidic cations, Hydrogen (H+1) and Aluminum (Al+3)
 

Highland Rogue

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The reason that I do not recommend using dolomite lime is that it contains 2:1 calcium to magnesium. Whereas our soils are better with closer to 5:1 - 10:1 That isn't to say the magnesium isn't important - quite the opposite it's extremely important but magnesium has absolutely nothing to do as far as a liming agent.
Thanks for this thread, I appreciate you mentioning the ratio of calcium to magnesium. I've found Espoma Garden tone (green bag) to be a better option than dolomite lime in that regard.

Only problem with some of the Espoma products is if they're used "in the wild" critters like to dig up your plants, I suspect the bone meal gets them hopeful.
 
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