Bud structure...

[gwheels]

I have a question about bud structure.

is the density and shape of the bud genetic or environmental (Both actually) but how much of each?

How do you ensure the densest buds under the same parameters? without weird addititves.

I think it is a lot genetic. But light distance and nutrient strength play a big part in it too. A lot of you have enough experience to make a more educated guess or actually know.

Thanks

 

[sfrigon1]

I have a question about bud structure.

is the density and shape of the bud genetic or environmental (Both actually) but how much of each?

How do you ensure the densest buds under the same parameters? without weird addititves.

I think it is a lot genetic. But light distance and nutrient strength play a big part in it too. A lot of you have enough experience to make a more educated guess or actually know.

Thanks

I have to say the spacing is genetics and how much they fill is dependent upon the grower . Jmo

 

[sfrigon1]

I am running alot of dif strains and they all get the exact same treatment . So I end up noticing alot the subtle differences. So in my opinion u can grow two buds that look very similar in shape and size but the density can vary , mostly from light intensity

 

[gwheels]

What i did was fuck around with different nutes too much. or did i...

And for the record...i am glad shit goes south...because how the hell can you learn anything if everything goes perfect everytime.

How can you advise others if you have only had success.

we learn in the shit of it...that is the truth as I know it

 

[Turpman]

Pretty sure density is directly related to how well the plant was grown. Genetics play a role as well, some will be fluffy no matter what you do. Takes a good grower to make them genetics shine. You have to make that perfect environment, one cockup your not going to reach full potential.

 

[H.A.F.]

The strain is gonna do what it's gonna do for the most part, but I think pruning what is destined to be larf early on helps beef up what you leave on.

 

[Big Perm]

I think environment has the biggest effect. Temp, Humidity, Light intensity, fresh air, water, nutes, etc.
AKA, grower.
The strain is going to do what it is going to do. It has a maximum, but no minimum. Pulling the maximum potential out of the plant is how to get the big yields, and density.

 

[gwheels]

And that is why you pheno hunt !

 

[Artisan_tek]

bud structure comes from genetics in my opinion. But that structure comes from how well the environment is dialed in.

Weve all seen foxtailing and what it does to bud structure. Can have something you know for certain should produce dense golf ball nugs but bc of the light being to close or it being to hot in the room it can cause the plants to foxtail. youd get a more airy elongated bud structure vs the dense gold balls youd get if everything was dialed in perfectly.

 

[TerpyTyrone]

I am running alot of dif strains and they all get the exact same treatment . So I end up noticing alot the subtle differences. So in my opinion u can grow two buds that look very similar in shape and size but the density can vary , mostly from light intensity

Do u notice some dont like the ppm or some want more?
Do u think a hungry plant is an airy plant?

The benefit of led is the distance from plants. It has alot of forgiveness the hid dont get. Also they allow for a higher top end to temp limit. 82f ime.

 

[Ozjet68]

I’m am no expert but there’s merit to the light density argument as I’ve noticed with clones off the same mother grown outdoors in the same soil mix producing different different bud structures positions in varying light grabbing areas of the yard. Maybe I’m missing something?

 

[SoLowDoughLow]

Genetics play a huge part, but even great genetics can be fucked up by a bad grower. I think every plant is capable of producing larfy buds if grown shitty. I've done it lol. But the key is having genetics that don't grow any larf when grown correctly.

 

[SoLowDoughLow]

Penetration has been my biggest issue in reducing larf, and I am now trying different methods of defoliation. I definitely have not been defoliating enough under my quantum boardsn to get proper penetration.

 

[H.A.F.]

I agree with pretty much everything so far about light and environment. But the original question was:

How do you ensure the densest buds under the same parameters? without weird addititves.

This assumes the grower has whatever environment they want already dialed in. You can only feed a plant so much and give her so much light before you kill her, so pruning is the other easy option.

Topping breaks the apical dominance of the plant (big fat center cola) and is the first thing to do if you want many fat buds instead of one giant and the rest medium to large.

Every primary sprout on a plant that gets a node and starts producing secondary sprouts detracts from your overall top-weight.

"Lolli-popping" the stems on any plant works to do this, like a scrog, but on a regular (non-scrog) plant you should leave the leaves on and just take the sprouts - more leaves feeding less flower sites.

A manifold/mainline LST that combines all of those techniques seems to be the best way to get the most density that your genetics will provide.

 

[SoLowDoughLow]

I agree with pretty much everything so far about light and environment. But the original question was:



This assumes the grower has whatever environment they want already dialed in. You can only feed a plant so much and give her so much light before you kill her, so pruning is the other easy option.

Topping breaks the apical dominance of the plant (big fat center cola) and is the first thing to do if you want many fat buds instead of one giant and the rest medium to large.

Every primary sprout on a plant that gets a node and starts producing secondary sprouts detracts from your overall top-weight.

"Lolli-popping" the stems on any plant works to do this, like a scrog, but on a regular (non-scrog) plant you should leave the leaves on and just take the sprouts - more leaves feeding less flower sites.

A manifold/mainline LST that combines all of those techniques seems to be the best way to get the most density that your genetics will provide.

I agree, mainlining takes a little time, but it's a great way to get fat, uniform buds/colas.

Also, assuming everything else is the same, knowing when and how much bloom booster to add affects density. I've grown my wedding cake s1 with megacrop and no bud blaster, and the buds were huge, but when I grew it out next run, I used bud blaster and the buds were a little smaller but were dense as fuck, basically rock hard.

 

[TerpyTyrone]

I agree, mainlining takes a little time, but it's a great way to get fat, uniform buds/colas.

Also, assuming everything else is the same, knowing when and how much bloom booster to add affects density. I've grown my wedding cake s1 with megacrop and no bud blaster, and the buds were huge, but when I grew it out next run, I used bud blaster and the buds were a little smaller but were dense as fuck, basically rock hard.

Which one do u use?
I use liquid koolbloom by gh I like It for the $

 

[H.A.F.]

knowing when and how much bloom booster to add affects density.

But this is assuming you would add that to all your plants anyway. It said without weird additives.

I have done several side-by-side grows pruning plants different and stems on the same plant different. The plants grown in the same size pot, same strain, soil, etc. have generally ended up the same overall weight. The difference was in the bud size, nug size, etc.

 

[SoLowDoughLow]

Which one do u use?
I use liquid koolbloom by gh I like It for the $

I was using bud explosion by Greenleaf nutrients (megacrop) but I've switched to supernatural products (bud blaster) because it's buffered, which means I don't have to check the pH. I have over 12 five-gallon DWC buckets I'm running all at once and I got sick of checking the pH on every one

 

[SoLowDoughLow]

But this is assuming you would add that to all your plants anyway. It said without weird additives.

I have done several side-by-side grows pruning plants different and stems on the same plant different. The plants grown in the same size pot, same strain, soil, etc. have generally ended up the same overall weight. The difference was in the bud size, nug size, etc.

True... it's so normal to me, I sometimes forget people think of it as a weird additive

 

[H.A.F.]

True... it's so normal to me, I sometimes forget people think of it as a weird additive

I guess what I mean is that even if you use a bloom booster on all, one pruned up will get fatter buds than one not.